Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Northumbria Police confirm that travel and movement restrictions on away supporters heading to the derby match at Gallowgate on Sunday week have now been scrapped, in a significant rethink of previous policy. Having backed down on plans to impose "bubble match" restrictions before the last meeting of the sides at SJP in February, the opposite situation will apply this time, with only the club-run, police-escorted bus convoy arranged - and no attempt made to force fans to use it. No "special" Metro or Northern Rail services have been timetabled, with fans instead able to board scheduled services or make their journey by alternative means. Gone also therefore is the mass escort from the Central station - replaced by a significant police presence on walking routes to the ground as fans arrive on a more piecemeal basis than in previous seasons. In addition to the hoped-for upturn in mood between the fans, this seems also to be a reflection of the logistical issues caused by playing the game on a festive shopping day, when thousands more non-match goers than on a usual Sunday will be in the city and on public transport. As for post-match though, the sheer number of fans in close proximity make it inevitable that closer policing will be required - with the numbers who return on the Metro varying greatly in past years depending on the result. Chief Supt Steve Neill: "The fans want the passion of the derby but some of the things that have happened in previous years now need to be consigned to history. The disorder of 2013 reflected badly on everybody concerned.....we are not going out on some sort of battle footing." From .com I've said for years that the policing approach recently causes more disturbances. Mackems covering up their colours and arseholes having police protection remopved will lead to fewer scenes IYAM. What fights do break out can be dealt with, but it's rare at any match not to have several arrests. Amazed at the reaction on Twitter being complete disbelief that we'd even consider fans being treated like grown ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I can't see anything but bother tbh. I wish treating fans like grown ups would work (like it seemed to when I was in Germany) but over here our fans just don't have that easy going relationship when there are police around. Too many people treat derby day as an excuse to act like a troglodyte and I think this approach could be a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 I'm certain there will be bother. There's bother now though and police can't break ranks to nip it in the bud. They stand in a line they can't break to keep fans apart. All they need to do is target trouble makers and 98% of the other pricks will drop their arse without that line of protection between them and opposition fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14799 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So train loads of pissed mackems will arrive at central from around 11ish till midday(?) and will be allowed to wind their merry way up to the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 There'll be mackems coming, being mouthy and getting kicked in. Rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3546 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 After watching that short film on the derby, does seem a bit dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 That video was made when there were police escorts in place. It makes for a more venemous atmosphere. I know lads myself who make sure to go and bait the mackems arriving and leaving, even though they would never actually be interested in having a fight in a million years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9103 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I'm sure there be plenty of morons on both sides who think that having a fight is part and parcel of a derby, but this smacks of the Police going "go on then, see what happens when we don't make it a bubble game" as if there isn't somewhere in between. As if it's not possible to have the atmosphere without the violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Absolute madness if they keep this approach for next week, there will be fucking hell on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 I dont like fans complaining about other fans behaving like animals and all fans being treated as such by extension. I have faith that the minority will be small. Its odd to see people complain about dry trains and insist fans should be trusted, but then reverse themselves and say 'no the fuckheads do ruin it fir everyone and you SHOULD police us strongly on our travels' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Its odd to see people complain about dry trains and insist fans should be trusted, but then reverse themselves and say 'no the fuckheads do ruin it fir everyone and you SHOULD police us strongly on our travels' Aye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9103 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I dont like fans complaining about other fans behaving like animals and all fans being treated as such by extension. I have faith that the minority will be small. Its odd to see people complain about dry trains and insist fans should be trusted, but then reverse themselves and say 'no the fuckheads do ruin it fir everyone and you SHOULD police us strongly on our travels' As ever though. it's somewhere in between. No, there shouldn't be dry trains for a league game at West Ham, but there should be a police presence when it's a derby game. The crowd's propensity to over-react is greater at a derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 There will be a police presence. And a heavy one. They just won't be in riot gear and forming a cordon between fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9103 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 There will be a police presence. And a heavy one. They just won't be in riot gear and forming a cordon between fans. So not quite the pissed up mackem winding their merry way through town unmolested by the Fuzz, then? But twitter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 From the .com write up above.. replaced by a significant police presence on walking routes to the ground as fans arrive on a more piecemeal basis than in previous seasons. So there will be no no concentrated mass of mackems acting as a focal point, baiting everyone as they go and attracting the biggest nobheads from Newcastle that feel the need to release their pent up frustration on someone who lives and supports a team from down the road. But there will be as many police as usual reacting to any pockets of violence that do inevitably erupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14128 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Assumed this was going to be an essembee thread from the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14799 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 From the .com write up above.. So there will be no no concentrated mass of mackems acting as a focal point, baiting everyone as they go and attracting the biggest nobheads from Newcastle that feel the need to release their pent up frustration on someone who lives and supports a team from down the road. But there will be as many police as usual reacting to any pockets of violence that do inevitably erupt. If a train load of early drinking mackems isn't a focal point then I don't know what is tbh...they're going to need an escort up to the ground iyam. Are they just saying the police won't be in riot gear?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 If a train load of early drinking mackems isn't a focal point then I don't know what is tbh...they're going to need an escort up to the ground iyam. Are they just saying the police won't be in riot gear?... There are no trains full of mackems being arranged. They'll be coming all morning on different metro's, mingled with shoppers. If you and a few mates were going up Sunderland for a derby and walking from Pallion, would you get wrecked on the way and mouthy with the mams going to Dunelm when you arrived, or would you just have a few beers and a coat over your colours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Absolute madness if they keep this approach for next week, there will be fucking hell on. It's the last Sunday before Xmas and the town will be busier than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 35254 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 A dry train's gonna achieve fuck all. When it's a lunchtime kickoff you've got retards setting their alarm for 7 in the morning to make sure they can get enough drink into them ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14799 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 There are no trains full of mackems being arranged. They'll be coming all morning on different metro's, mingled with shoppers. If you and a few mates were going up Sunderland for a derby and walking from Pallion, would you get wrecked on the way and mouthy with the mams going to Dunelm when you arrived, or would you just have a few beers and a coat over your colours? Not sure what you mean tbh, there are scheduled trains...and it looks to me like theyre putting extra ones on: http://www.thetrainline.com/buytickets/combinedmatrix.aspx?Command=TimeTable#Journey/SUNDERLAND/NEWCASTLE/21/12/14/12/15/Arr//////Dep/1/0// These will be chock full of mackems. I've done it myself in the other direction on the metro but obviously you dont get let out in the city centre as you do in Newcastle. Those on both sides who are up for a ruck will be rubbing their hands iyam. Cant help but think the police are doing this so as to give the clubs enough rope to hang themsleves with so they've got the perfect excuse to make all future derbies bubble games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13895 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 There will be absolute hell on. I don't think match going fans are always the issue either - there's plenty of dickheads who'll turn up for the bother without a thought for the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Agreed, hell on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3989 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 There will be absolute hell on. I don't think match going fans are always the issue either - there's plenty of dickheads who'll turn up for the bother without a thought for the match. I've said before I know or knew a few daft lads. I remember a derby a few years ago (maybe the 2-0 when Bellamy scored early) bumping into a lad we knew. He didn't have a ticket and had even had a polite warning from the coppers not to bother. Anyway he was on the phone to the mackem top lads constantly trying to arrange a "meeting". I don't think whether its a bubble match or whether there's an escort has ever mattered to lads like these. What I'd be worried about if I was the coppers is randoms like the horse puncher. Having said that I'd guess he'd be one of those who's happy to act hard behind police lines and won't be so game in a free for all. I'm not saying there won't be bother but id be surprised if it was major. Of course it may depend on the result like last year (imo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADP 0 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Nailed on that there will be bother. City will be packed with shoppers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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