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Read this earlier. Think she must be on to something if they're trying to stifle a debate about it.

 

I reckon it's pretty common nowadays.....me and a mate ended up having a pint on canal street in Manchester before we played Man city in the first game of last season...we went into this boozer about 4pm and there were 3 or 4 fellahs sat at the bar chatting to the barman..."in town for the match lads?" we were asked...blah blah blah, so far, so general pub chit chat, when suddenly the door opened and a man who bore what can only be described as "an uncanny likeness to Les Dawson in a dress" walked in and ordered a pint of mild. Strange, I thought, you don't see mild on draught many places nowadays....

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I've always tried to have an open mind on this but I tend towards Greer's position - there's something about this "born in the wrong body" thing which strikes me as unscientific.

 

Not saying it shouldn't be a choice and that anyone who does it should be treated badly or anything but I don't think chromosone/gentitalia assignment done by nature is that fallible.

 

Of course the willingness of modern students to supress free speech on this and especially "Islamaphobia" is another matter they should be shot with shit for.

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I've always tried to have an open mind on this but I tend towards Greer's position - there's something about this "born in the wrong body" thing which strikes me as unscientific.

 

Not saying it shouldn't be a choice and that anyone who does it should be treated badly or anything but I don't think chromosone/gentitalia assignment done by nature is that fallible.

 

Of course the willingness of modern students to supress free speech on this and especially "Islamaphobia" is another matter they should be shot with shit for.

 

I kind of agree with this - I personally feel like trans people are socialised into it somehow, but I'm very open to a counter opinion that notes some kind of genetic marker or something. I also fully empathise with those who feel like they have to do this, as no matter why they're doing it, the desire is real.

 

Also enjoying watching modern feminism attack itself - was always inevitable at some point, once they ran out of actual issues to address.

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Before having a bairn I couldn't understand those parents who let their 5 year old boy dress as a girl. Always thought they shouldn't be indulged.

 

But me and the wife often marvel that it's amazing to watch a boy do boy things unprompted from the earliest age. Just liking trucks and making toys smash and hurt each other rather than liking princesses and hoovering.

 

If kids can be born hermaphrodites and with all sorts of physical ambiguities I see no reason they shouldn't be born with mental mismatches to their physical appearance that should be handled every bit as sensitively.

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Before having a bairn I couldn't understand those parents who let their 5 year old boy dress as a girl. Always thought they shouldn't be indulged.

 

But me and the wife often marvel that it's amazing to watch a boy do boy things unprompted from the earliest age. Just liking trucks and making toys smash and hurt each other rather than liking princesses and hoovering.

 

If kids can be born hermaphrodites and with all sorts of physical ambiguities I see no reason they shouldn't be born with mental mismatches to their physical appearance that should be handled every bit as sensitively.

 

That's interesting - still though, even for things like trucks, they've been 'gendered' have they not? So the kid has picked them up not because they're a male toy, but because he likes the wheels, and that they move etc. We've then given a truck a label as a boy's play item, which has meant that you've decided your lad is a 'boy' in his mindset.

 

My little sister has lego, loads of toy cars, and a toy castle, pirate ship; she enjoys dressing up as a knight (and had a birthday party in which she all the kids came round as princesses or knights, and she insisted on being the latter). She even has a toy crossbow.

 

I'm pretty sure she isn't going to grow up wanting to be a man though. She just likes the toys and has been protected from forced 'gendering'.

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To each their own. Along with most other people I don't know nearly enough to make a qualified statement on the matter but as long as they're not hurting anyone else then good luck to them. To try and ban a well known feminist for having an opposing view on an area where there isn't really a consensus is simply a case of student feminist twats being twats.

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That's interesting - still though, even for things like trucks, they've been 'gendered' have they not? So the kid has picked them up not because they're a male toy, but because he likes the wheels, and that they move etc. We've then given a truck a label as a boy's play item, which has meant that you've decided your lad is a 'boy' in his mindset.

 

My little sister has lego, loads of toy cars, and a toy castle, pirate ship; she enjoys dressing up as a knight (and had a birthday party in which she all the kids came round as princesses or knights, and she insisted on being the latter). She even has a toy crossbow.

 

I'm pretty sure she isn't going to grow up wanting to be a man though. She just likes the toys and has been protected from forced 'gendering'.

Aye, true enough, he could like trucks and violence and still want to lob his knob off when he's 16.

 

I think it's an initial pointer towards the social norm though. He liked a pink sparkly head band in the shop the other day like. The wife wouldn't buy it for him. Hope some university doesn't ban her.

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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/may/20/nhs-treats-transgender-people-as-second-class-citizens-says-watchdog

 

 

Katherine Rake, its chief executive, said those seeking to change their gender often faced an “incredibly troubling” experience, with the process taking “a considerable part of people’s lives”.

A support group for transgender people also warned delays were leading to patients considering self-harm and suicide.

Campaigners said it was vital the NHS honoured 18-week targets that should cover both referrals of patients by GPs to one of the country’s seven specialist gender identity clinics, and, later, their listing for surgery."

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I aint got a scooby what's going on these days, I do a search for Electro on the internet and get a shit load of music that sounds fuck all like Electro, I do a search for Deep House and I get fuck all Deep House, just a load of shit that sounds fuck all like Deep House. I was talking to a DJ a while back and asked him what that shit he was playing was called (so I could avoid anything from that whole genre), and he said 'it's Minimal mate', Minimal? was it fuck :lol:

 

It also seems to me that these people who make this shit are totally unaware of where the label they've decided to use originates, and all the other strands and influences that led to the fucking thing in the first place.

 

Same goes with those that call themselves Intersectionalists these days, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing was a nefarious setup to undermine the feminist movement.

 

And their use of No-Platform is also ridiculous, it was originally a valid tactic used against fascist mobilisation, when people would congregate around some goose-stepper giving it the big one, and then head off in a testosterone pumped mass and beat up blacks/gays/jews etc. No-Platform was used to stop the cunts getting to their chosen spot in the first place, despite on many occasions the old bill helping the fascists as much as possible to achieve their goal!

 

Now it's being used by a few students against a feminist for saying the following:

 

She also suggested that trans women do not know what it is like “to have a big, hairy, smelly vagina”.

 

A point I have no argument with :lol:

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Feminism was invented cause the globalists realized they weren't taxing women. /Lock it.

 

I actually have some sympathy with this line of thought - not that feminism hasn't done wonders for women's rights, but like globalisation, it's been developed to make the rich richer.

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I actually have some sympathy with this line of thought - not that feminism hasn't done wonders for women's rights, but like globalisation, it's been developed to make the rich richer.

 

Capitalism has managed to co-opt pretty much every social movement that tried to exist outside of it's sphere.

 

But it's worth remembering that the menu is not the meal.

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I've got a lot of things I could say about this, but I'm not going to do so in a thread entitled "Feminazis". :razz:

 

I'm genuinely interested in what you do have to say here. Think the growing awareness of Trans issues on places like Twitter is interesting as is the conscious effort towards equality in things like comics, movies, video games and reckon you'd have an interesting take on all of that.

 

As for my take, it's something that I'm trying to take the time to acknowledge and understand on a level other than "Do as you please" I think the very concept of identity is something that varies wildly from person to person and think the idea that a man may feel themselves, truly, to be a woman in the wrong shell, so to speak, is a real one since the mind and brain is a weird old bastard. I should probably find some book recommendations somewhere.

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Capitalism has managed to co-opt pretty much every social movement that tried to exist outside of it's sphere.

 

But it's worth remembering that the menu is not the meal.

 

 

A fair counter argument to be honest - it's more likely, I concede, that capitalism piggybacked on such movements rather than actually created them (although I'd say that the latter is feasible for the globalisation angle).

 

Either way the outcome is that both movements have pulled wages down and maximised profits. I'd say this was the single most important reason that either movement succeeded.

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One of the best writers I've read on this subject is Silvia Federici, her book Caliban & The Witch is well worth reading, even by those who don't necessarily have an interest in Feminism but want to read a well written and researched history on the transition from Feudalism to Capitalism.

 

there's a PDF of the book here.

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