ewerk 34251 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 08:52, Christmas Tree said: Corbyn is a good talker, but howay, that's basically all he's done since leaving his pampered private education. Expand We need someone straight from the streets. Real talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6453 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 08:56, Meenzer said: The question is whether the Tories will stay there after they're elected. Expand The battleground has moved though, and the Tories seem to know it. If they keep forcing their agenda, and we dig our heels in on Corbynesque policies, eventually the battle will be won. The only long term hope the Tories have is that idealists such as myself cave in, or they move to the left. Eventually, a Corbyn style Labour government will get in, ideally implement proportional representation (properly) and then the Tories are doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4379 Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 08:52, Christmas Tree said: I think there was nothing to see here in last nights debate. Corbyn is a good talker, but howay, that's basically all he's done since leaving his pampered private education. Talk / protest / talk / protest. Paxman was hopeless and neither politician got a real severe drill down drilling on the big issues. May, has been in government for 7 years and therefore has a record to be judged on. She is also not a seasoned campaigner like Corbyn so is less comfortable in that situation. Corbyn is offering free everything for everyone. Who wouldn't like that. More important to me was coming back from the Lakes yesterday and watching the likes of Dianne Abbott on Marr. This woman could actually be Home Secretary in just over a week I really do like the free stuff, but I'm struggling with my conscience voting for Abbott, Corbyn and McDonnell. I do have serious issues with not only their back story, but their actual intelligence and ability to run the country. Expand That record being utter dogshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 15117 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 08:52, Christmas Tree said: I think there was nothing to see here in last nights debate. Corbyn is a good talker, but howay, that's basically all he's done since leaving his pampered private education. Talk / protest / talk / protest. Paxman was hopeless and neither politician got a real severe drill down drilling on the big issues. May, has been in government for 7 years and therefore has a record to be judged on. She is also not a seasoned campaigner like Corbyn so is less comfortable in that situation. Corbyn is offering free everything for everyone. Who wouldn't like that. More important to me was coming back from the Lakes yesterday and watching the likes of Dianne Abbott on Marr. This woman could actually be Home Secretary in just over a week I really do like the free stuff, but I'm struggling with my conscience voting for Abbott, Corbyn and McDonnell. I do have serious issues with not only their back story, but their actual intelligence and ability to run the country. Expand You're as much a shambles as whatever May's performance last night was. I think I caught the cameramen laughing at one point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 15117 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 08:53, Alex said: Struggling with his conscience Expand Consensus is that Corbyn came out of it looking better so of course he's found issue with it. It must be fucking hard work keeping this up, CT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5374 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 09:01, Rayvin said: The battleground has moved though, and the Tories seem to know it. If they keep forcing their agenda, and we dig our heels in on Corbynesque policies, eventually the battle will be won. The only long term hope the Tories have is that idealists such as myself cave in, or they move to the left. Eventually, a Corbyn style Labour government will get in, ideally implement proportional representation (properly) and then the Tories are doomed. Expand See that's another of my worries. I don't want left or right to be doomed and I don't want to be one of these countries that has endless hung parliaments where manifestos are torn up and rehashed in smoke filled rooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 37794 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Yada, yada, yada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6453 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 09:18, Christmas Tree said: See that's another of my worries. I don't want left or right to be doomed and I don't want to be one of these countries that has endless hung parliaments where manifestos are torn up and rehashed in smoke filled rooms. Expand Means we're all better represented though. Even though I accept it fortifies UKIP (as finished as I think they are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 37794 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Love how you actually engage with CT and Wolfy on this and 'science' btw You must be fond of a fucking treat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 06:12, Anorthernsoul said: End of argument, some idiots clearly don't understand that. Expand An irrelivent film reference bordering on complete waffle without any elaboration is "end of argument"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 5374 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 09:15, Ayatollah Hermione said: Consensus is that Corbyn came out of it looking better so of course he's found issue with it. It must be fucking hard work keeping this up, CT Expand But I don't think that was ever in doubt. He's good at talking (in general non specific terms), she's not. Hes promising free everything, she's trying to sort out a very serious social care crisis. The performance of either in this sort of staged event is trivial for me as it reveals little about that persons ability to run a country. I still love the idea of the manifesto and really hope it will work and life is wonderful, but I still have niggles that it's possible and really can't bring myself to see Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott as a dream team. im reminded of all the "free stuff" that Greek party promised and how that turned out. as it stands I'm still voting Labour but ......, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Watching it this morning it's slightly disappointing that it wasn't the bloodbath that came across on Twitter. There's 5 minutes with Paxman where the audience are fully behind him and May looks close to tears though. Corbyn only ever seemed amused and exasperrated with him (as did the audience at that time) which is a much better look. And on the other topic, if the choice is Diane Abbot as home secretary or Boris Johnson as Foreign secretary Diane gets my vote every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Imagine the love child from those two. Baron Boris Hedwig Abbot-Holstein Edited May 30, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alex 37794 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Typical woman that, asking a question she already knew the answer to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr Gloom 24284 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I don't think any team that involves abbot could ever be considered one of dreams, but look at the Tory front bench ffs: Flip flopping careerist and national treasure/joke Boris Johnson, Jeremy "destroy the NHS/ dead behind the eye" hunt, Dr Liam "shady fucker" Fox. Not to mention the incompetent matron running the show. First candidate for pm to ever u turn on one of her own manifesto promises. Shambolic. thats before we even start talking about the long term economic plan which his been swept under the carpet. And just a ten year delay on their target for eliminating the deficit, all while debt has been ballooning. how these cunts are still favourites is astonishing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Atrocious media work these days. They don't want to inform the public of the policies of the two parties so we can make an informed decision, they want to catch them out on their sums so they can get re-tweets. Paxman was the same last night. He pushed May hard on police numbers and in fairness she trotted them off, but then, that was her job for 7 fucking years, rather than a manifesto which is only weeks old, by virtue of May's u-turn and snap election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6453 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 10:12, ewerk said: Expand This didn't sound like it went well. Annoyingly. The presenter is coming under fire for being overly aggressive about it but at the end of the day, this is the sort of thing he should be ready for from radio and tv personalities that he's about to make poorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34251 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 10:21, Happy Face said: Atrocious media work these days. They don't want to inform the public of the policies of the two parties so we can make an informed decision, they want to catch them out on their sums so they can get re-tweets. Paxman was the same last night. In fairness he pushed May hard on police numbers, but then, that was her job for 7 fucking years, rather than a manifesto which is only weeks old, by virtue of May's u-turn and snap election. Expand After the Abbott fiasco every politician going on TV/radio should have the costs drilled into them or at least have a quick reference cheat sheet in from of them to avoid this sort of ridicule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Corbyn has already beaten down the MSM. They've thrown the kitchen sink at him and Labour continue to rise in the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6453 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 10:27, ewerk said: After the Abbott fiasco every politician going on TV/radio should have the costs drilled into them or at least have a quick reference cheat sheet in from of them to avoid this sort of ridicule. Expand Yep, while sympathetic to HF's point, this is an own goal by Labour. Nothing stopping them from having the numbers on paper in front of them. The Tories will be able to use this, and that's the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 30/05/2017 at 10:27, ewerk said: After the Abbott fiasco every politician going on TV/radio should have the costs drilled into them or at least have a quick reference cheat sheet in from of them to avoid this sort of ridicule. Expand Absolutley, and Paul Mason and that going after her on Twitter is self-defeating. Should take it on the chin and move on, because the media won't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) On 30/05/2017 at 10:31, Rayvin said: Yep, while sympathetic to HF's point, this is an own goal by Labour. Nothing stopping them from having the numbers on paper in front of them. The Tories will be able to use this, and that's the problem. Expand About 10 people in Surbiton read the Telegraph and that geezer has about 3000 followers. It's nothing. No side in this election has done proper costings and I think the public are cynical enough about election promises from all sides. Nothing to see here. I thought Paxman failed to take Corby down and millions would have watched that. The Tory campaign has been an unmitigated disaster from Manifesto to presentation to May appearing disjointed and nervous. Edited May 30, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Is it a manifesto number? He probably has a cheat sheet with every manifesto number on, but this sounds like it originated elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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