Generic small time football blather thread FOREVER

[Gemmill 36226]

2 minutes ago, LondonBlue said:

 

obviously i have to defend that load of tripe.

 

 

UEFA case

 

the PL case appears to be based on those self same emails.

those emails were stolen.

they were also edited.

and they were mis-interpreted.

they were out of context and CAS saw the rest of the emails putting them in context

many further points such as - It was demonstrated that the sheikh referenced by initials was not in fact sheikh mansour (thats why you need the whole picture)

the emails were declared as admissible by CAS.

the time barred charges were the same as charges that weren't time barred (just different years). no evidence was provided for any of the charges.

even with the emails it was repeatedly ruled that there was no evidence of wrong doing (bar non co-operation)

an excerpt from the CAS ruling littered with highlighted no evidence statements.

 

 

The non cooperation fine was reduced from 30m to 10m for one simple reason.

we co-operated fully up until UEFA leaked business sensitive information to the press.

we then stopped cooperating and stated to CAS that we didn't feel we could trust UEFA anymore.

CAS accepted that but the fact remained that we didn't cooperate so they reduced the fine from 30m to 10m

 

Premier League Case

 

stolen evidence is inadmissible under english law.

The PL is a club following club rules but they still have a duty to follow English law and it states as such in their handbook.

presumably the PL are looking for us to give them the evidence that shows we've done wrong.

City are understandably saying - but we haven't done wrong so that evidence doesn't exist. so tell us what documents you want. PL say they want everything and City say you can't have everything as some is confidential so be more specific.

PL want to see documents from Etihad but Etihad have no such obligation. However Etihad are being floated so all documents will be available then (if we're guilty that would seem a bad move on our behalf)

PL haven't even spoken to Mancini

Its widely reported that the PL is David and city are Goliath. But the PL are represented by the finest in the land so thats poppycock.

Its widely reported that City tried to keep the case private because they've done wrong. But actually the City AND the PL wanted it kept private.

can't be bothered with listing more.

 

Man City's Crime ?

 

At the end of the day, win or lose all city have actually done is put money into their business.

 

I won't lose any sleep over that.

 

They haven't committed murder. hello liverpool fans

They aren't drugs cheats. hello liverpool squad and your asthma, hello man united, rio, etc

They haven't passed PL rules to stop competition, hello cartel

They haven't hacked rival club databases - hello liverpool

They haven't committed fraud - hello man united and all.

They haven't taken money out of football - hello man united

 

i had minor surgery this morning and needed a mini rant, let's hope i never have major surgery

 

mini rant over - sorry lads

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The very last para in the conclusion references the leaked emails and basically says there is no evidence that they went through with the plan that is outlined in the email. 

 

As the twitter thread states, the evidence that is lacking is the bank statements to evidence the movement of funds. 

 

The conclusion doesn't question that there was an intention and a request to funnel shareholder funds through sponsor payments. They just can't prove that the plan was put into action because presumably they can't demand the paper trail from companies that aren't under investigation (the sponsors). 

 

I know you dont believe there was wrongdoing but it looks pretty smelly to me. 

[ewerk 27151]

10 minutes ago, LondonBlue said:

 

obviously i have to defend that load of tripe.

 

 

UEFA case

 

the PL case appears to be based on those self same emails.

those emails were stolen.

they were also edited.

and they were mis-interpreted.

they were out of context and CAS saw the rest of the emails putting them in context

many further points such as - It was demonstrated that the sheikh referenced by initials was not in fact sheikh mansour (thats why you need the whole picture)

the emails were declared as admissible by CAS.

the time barred charges were the same as charges that weren't time barred (just different years). no evidence was provided for any of the charges.

even with the emails it was repeatedly ruled that there was no evidence of wrong doing (bar non co-operation)

an excerpt from the CAS ruling littered with highlighted no evidence statements.

 

 

The non cooperation fine was reduced from 30m to 10m for one simple reason.

we co-operated fully up until UEFA leaked business sensitive information to the press.

we then stopped cooperating and stated to CAS that we didn't feel we could trust UEFA anymore.

CAS accepted that but the fact remained that we didn't cooperate so they reduced the fine from 30m to 10m

 

Premier League Case

 

stolen evidence is inadmissible under english law.

The PL is a club following club rules but they still have a duty to follow English law and it states as such in their handbook.

presumably the PL are looking for us to give them the evidence that shows we've done wrong.

City are understandably saying - but we haven't done wrong so that evidence doesn't exist. so tell us what documents you want. PL say they want everything and City say you can't have everything as some is confidential so be more specific.

PL want to see documents from Etihad but Etihad have no such obligation. However Etihad are being floated so all documents will be available then (if we're guilty that would seem a bad move on our behalf)

PL haven't even spoken to Mancini

Its widely reported that the PL is David and city are Goliath. But the PL are represented by the finest in the land so thats poppycock.

Its widely reported that City tried to keep the case private because they've done wrong. But actually the City AND the PL wanted it kept private.

can't be bothered with listing more.

 

Man City's Crime ?

 

At the end of the day, win or lose all city have actually done is put money into their business.

 

I won't lose any sleep over that.

 

They haven't committed murder. hello liverpool fans

They aren't drugs cheats. hello liverpool squad and your asthma, hello man united, rio, etc

They haven't passed PL rules to stop competition, hello cartel

They haven't hacked rival club databases - hello liverpool

They haven't committed fraud - hello man united and all.

They haven't taken money out of football - hello man united

 

i had minor surgery this morning and needed a mini rant, let's hope i never have major surgery

 

mini rant over - sorry lads

 

 

I'm not saying you were wrong to do what you did but it's obvious as fuck that you did it.

 

Hope you're on the mend soon.

[wykikitoon 17363]

11 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Rashford not in the 26 apparently…. Anthony Gordon has fuckin BURIED him and Grealish since he signed for Newcastle United. If Gordon doesn’t start on the left v Serbia on the 16 June Southgate should be taken out with a tactical strike by the Gallowgate Special Ops section of the Northumberland Fusiliers  

 

Squad at 2pm. I predict the glaring and just fuckin ridiculous omission will be Tomori. Quansah apparently and also  inexplicably in 🤷🏻‍♂️

Apparently Luke Shaw is in  

[wykikitoon 17363]

Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Crystal Palace), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Aaron Ramsdale (Arsenal), James Trafford (Burnley).

 

Defenders: Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton), Lewis Dunk (Brighton), Joe Gomez (Liverpool), Marc Guehi (Crystal Palace), Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Harry Maguire (Manchester United), Jarell Quansah (Liverpool), Luke Shaw (Manchester United), John Stones (Manchester City), Kieran Trippier (Newcastle), Kyle Walker (Manchester City).

 

Midfielders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Conor Gallagher (Chelsea), Curtis Jones (Liverpool), Kobbie Mainoo (Manchester United), Declan Rice (Arsenal), Adam Wharton (Crystal Palace).

 

Forwards: Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Jarrod Bowen (West Ham), Eberechi Eze (Crystal Palace), Phil Foden (Manchester City), Jack Grealish (Manchester City), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), James Maddison (Tottenham), Cole Palmer (Chelsea), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Ivan Toney (Brentford), Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa).

[PaddockLad 15026]

1 minute ago, wykikitoon said:

Apparently Luke Shaw is in  

On the face of it that’s ridiculous…. but as Gem said there’s only him and Tripps  Chilwell has been fucked by injury as well 

[PaddockLad 15026]

Palmer Maddison Foden and Bellingham for one spot  

[ewerk 27151]

1 minute ago, PaddockLad said:

Palmer Maddison Foden and Bellingham for one spot  

Palmer and Foden can both play wide of a three to be fair. 

 

Apparently James Trafford is more deserving of a callup than Nick Pope though.

[LondonBlue 590]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

 

The very last para in the conclusion references the leaked emails and basically says there is no evidence that they went through with the plan that is outlined in the email. 

 

As the twitter thread states, the evidence that is lacking is the bank statements to evidence the movement of funds. 

 

The conclusion doesn't question that there was an intention and a request to funnel shareholder funds through sponsor payments. They just can't prove that the plan was put into action because presumably they can't demand the paper trail from companies that aren't under investigation (the sponsors). 

 

I know you dont believe there was wrongdoing but it looks pretty smelly to me. 

 

I'm sorry but i don't buy that those that have either audited or done due diligence on Manchester City including 

• Etihad,
• Etisalat,
• Abu Dhabi Royalty,
• CFG,
• Roberto Mancini,
• Al Jazira Sports and Cultural Club and its former CEO, Phil Anderton, 
• Deloitte,
• BDO, 
• Ernst & Young, 
• AlixPartners,
• Our Chinese private equity company who i can't remember,  
• Silver Lake ( leading Silicon Valley private equity fund, that now owns approximately 20% of the CFG and its billionaire founder and co-CEO, Egon Durban, sits on CFG’s board)

are all in cahoots.

 

That none of them have found any wrong doing.

 

Investors such as silver lake do due diligence before investing.

 

Accounting firms are careful when they know theres an issue as their reputation is on the line

 

Conspiracy Theories and Innuendo will not prove the alleged Manchester City Conspiracy (substack.com)

 

 

 

 

[acrossthepond 747]

Spoilt for choice, which makes a change. Maddison is a distant fourth in that quartet and probably should've been left out altogether for another defender. 

 

Whisper it quietly but Hall came into form at the right time. If Adam Wharton's in, I see no reason for Hall to miss out, especially considering LB is a blatant problem position for us. If he'd still been playing for Chelsea he probably would've been in. Note the obligatory Liverpool defender as well, can't leave the red shirt club out. 

[ewerk 27151]

9 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Apparently Luke Shaw is in  

 

A fit and on form Luke Shaw starts for England but he hasn't kicked a ball since February.

[LondonBlue 590]

9 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

I'm not saying you were wrong to do what you did but it's obvious as fuck that you did it.

 

Hope you're on the mend soon.

 

i disagree, i think the PL were foolish to launch a case that they can't win. it's taking them a very long time to gather their evidence and present their case.

 

and thanks, i just want lots of food now, dieting does not suit me.

 

[PaddockLad 15026]

3 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Palmer and Foden can both play wide of a three to be fair. 

 

Apparently James Trafford is more deserving of a callup than Nick Pope though.

Yeah but fitting players into positions where they can’t show their absolute best under the instructions of the fuckin English football media needs to stop if England want to win. 
 

That means Foden starting sat in behind Harry Kane. I’ll let Bellingham play beside Rice because he absolutely will but if you ask me that should be John Stones  

[LondonBlue 590]

 

for me, foden is best in an advanced midfield role, not on the wings

 

we played Foden alongside KDB  ahead of Rodri in midfield at the weekend

 

i'd play a midfield 3 of Rice behind Bellend and Foden

 

[ewerk 27151]

4 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Yeah but fitting players into positions where they can’t show their absolute best under the instructions of the fuckin English football media needs to stop if England want to win. 
 

That means Foden starting sat in behind Harry Kane. I’ll let Bellingham play beside Rice because he absolutely will but if you ask me that should be John Stones  

 

Pep is happy enough for Foden to play wide left and Bellingham has played No.10 all season so keeping them in those roles would be the least disruptive.

[LondonBlue 590]

4 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Yeah but fitting players into positions where they can’t show their absolute best under the instructions of the fuckin English football media needs to stop if England want to win. 
 

That means Foden starting sat in behind Harry Kane. I’ll let Bellingham play beside Rice because he absolutely will but if you ask me that should be John Stones  

 

agree on Jon Stones, assuming he's fit and assuming we can rely on those behind him

 

[LondonBlue 590]

did you see Foden's positioning for both of his goals against west ham. he started in a midfield 3.

[PaddockLad 15026]

4 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

Pep is happy enough for Foden to play wide left and Bellingham has played No.10 all season so keeping them in those roles would be the least disruptive.

I’d play Englands best player in his best position. There’s been a drop off from Bellingham after his literally unreal start. Look at the World Cup in 66. Englands greatest ever goal scorer wasn’t in the XI for the final. Why? There was a blend of players available better suited to winnning… 

[Dr Gloom 20242]

11 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

Pep is happy enough for Foden to play wide left and Bellingham has played No.10 all season so keeping them in those roles would be the least disruptive.

 

i heard bellingham has been playing a deeper midfield role lately

[PaddockLad 15026]

It’s 33 to be cut to 26 on June 7th. Hope one of them is that despicable little cunt Maddison  

[Ayatollah Hermione 12944]

Lads, we barely have a decent centre half that we can put WITH Stones. I’m not sure putting him in central midfield and having an untested centre half team of Maguire and whoever the fuck is the best idea I’ve ever heard 

[Dr Gloom 20242]

left back is one glaring weakness in an otherwise good-looking squad. i'm pleased he's finally picked players in form instead of old favourites such as henderson and rashford. 

 

bowen, gordon and palmer all deserve to be in. 

 

lewis hall looks a better option at left back than an undercooked shaw or half-fit trippier playing out of position 

[Toonpack 7202]

3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

i reckon eddie would be good value over a beer. he's a self-confessed introvert who probably warms up and after a couple of pints, revealing an impish and dry sense of humour. 

 

klopp on the other hand loves the smell of his own farts, and after a couple of attitude adjusters would even more crushingly boring than he is in his post-match interviews

Can you imagine the scenes if you got the round wrong

[ackas 307]

3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

left back is one glaring weakness in an otherwise good-looking squad. i'm pleased he's finally picked players in form instead of old favourites such as henderson and rashford. 

 

bowen, gordon and palmer all deserve to be in. 

 

lewis hall looks a better option at left back than an undercooked shaw or half-fit trippier playing out of position 

 

Trips really shouldn't be anywhere near that squad.
He's got more in common with Henderson and Rashford.
 

Edited May 21 by ackas
typo

[PaddockLad 15026]

13 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

Lads, we barely have a decent centre half that we can put WITH Stones. I’m not sure putting him in central midfield and having an untested centre half team of Maguire and whoever the fuck is the best idea I’ve ever heard 

Youve spelled Fikayo Tomori wrong. But that’s ok

[Ayatollah Hermione 12944]

9 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Youve spelled Fikayo Tomori wrong. But that’s ok

Aye because he’s in the squad, isn’t he?