Sir Eddie’s club legends v Everton - happy and glorious

[Renton 24808]

12 hours ago, thebrokendoll said:

newcastle v everton, a must win.

with all the riches on offer, the prestige of playing in the cl, the implications for recruitment and retention of players etc etc

is victory more important in this one than it was on march 16th?

I'd say so.

 

No. Fuck off man, really surprised at you for suggesting this. We've qualified for the CL numerous times. If we fuck up on Sunday we are still in the EL. Alright, we get more money, which could all be wasted on one poor signing.

Whereas winning the league cup was the first time 90% of us had experienced an actual trophy. Not only that, but it finally got the losing mentality off our back, which for me is worth far more than CL money which can never be guaranteed year to year. The value of that is intangible maybe but for me it's very real, and, given our league performances since the final, which are the only reason we even have this chance now, I'd say it's already evident in the players.

[Dr Gloom 24568]

11 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

No. Fuck off man, really surprised at you for suggesting this. We've qualified for the CL numerous times. If we fuck up on Sunday we are still in the EL. Alright, we get more money, which could all be wasted on one poor signing.

Whereas winning the league cup was the first time 90% of us had experienced an actual trophy. Not only that, but it finally got the losing mentality off our back, which for me is worth far more than CL money which can never be guaranteed year to year. The value of that is intangible maybe but for me it's very real, and, given our league performances since the final, which are the only reason we even have this chance now, I'd say it's already evident in the players.

agreed. I think it was Gemmill who said it felt like a mentality switch has been flicked. We’ve played well consistently since the cup final other than villa away, which was the third game in a week under Tindall without rotation. 
 

I’m confident that we do the job against Everton for that reason but even if we revert to type and bottle it, it has still been a season for the ages. The first cup of my lifetime meant so much more than qualifying for the CL again. 

[Christmas Tree 5578]

I mean both things are true at once. Winning a cup was brilliant, ( only because of the fact we had not done it in a lifetime), but missing out on CL will cost us dear in many ways.

 

I pretty much guarantee that most club owners, players and fans of the bigger clubs, would take the CL over a cup win every time.

 

That is how you grow everything about your club whether that’s revenue, keeping and attracting the worlds best players.

 

Hopefully we end the season with both.

[Gemmill 53657]

Bigger clubs would take CL because they've won a load of cups though. 

 

Of course winning our first trophy was more important. Doesn't mean getting into the CL isn't important, but the monkey is off our backs now. We've beaten Liverpool at Wembley to win a cup. We know we can go there and beat anyone, and more importantly the project now has a tangible benefit to point at. 

 

Cos repeatedly qualifying for and getting knocked out of the CL and never winning anything gets old pretty quick. Just ask Arsenal. 

[Tom 14495]

We should be getting to the point as a club where we shouldn’t have to choose either/or even hypothetically. 
 

However I wouldn’t trade that league cup win for the world. 

[Isegrim 10835]

16 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

I mean both things are true at once. Winning a cup was brilliant, ( only because of the fact we had not done it in a lifetime), but missing out on CL will cost us dear in many ways.

 

I pretty much guarantee that most club owners, players and fans of the bigger clubs, would take the CL over a cup win every time.

 

That is how you grow everything about your club whether that’s revenue, keeping and attracting the worlds best players.

 

Hopefully we end the season with both.

 

[spongebob toonpants 4608]

If we had lost at Wembley I doubt we would be in this position with one game to go

[aimaad22 5093]

Winning the cup and qualifying for the CL arent mutually exclusive you know.

 

The cup win was definitely more important for us though. A watershed moment. Culuturally, mentally, getting the monkey off our backs and signalling that this team has now arrived as a major threat. And most of all what it meant to the fans, we can think about the CL and revenues and the future in a different light now because we've won something. It was something that needed to happen for the club to move forward. 

[Gemmill 53657]

5 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said:

If we had lost at Wembley I doubt we would be in this position with one game to go

 

Be a lot harder to win a domestic cup once you've got European games to worry about too. 

[Dr Gloom 24568]

23 minutes ago, aimaad22 said:

Winning the cup and qualifying for the CL arent mutually exclusive you know.

 

The cup win was definitely more important for us though. A watershed moment. Culuturally, mentally, getting the monkey off our backs and signalling that this team has now arrived as a major threat. And most of all what it meant to the fans, we can think about the CL and revenues and the future in a different light now because we've won something. It was something that needed to happen for the club to move forward. 

[Christmas Tree 5578]

1 hour ago, aimaad22 said:

 

The cup win was definitely more important for us though. A watershed moment. Culuturally, mentally, getting the monkey off our backs and signalling that this team has now arrived as a major threat. And most of all what it meant to the fans, we can think about the CL and revenues and the future in a different light now because we've won something. It was something that needed to happen for the club to move forward. 

I disagree. We haven’t signalled anything by winning the cup.Have palace now arrived as a major threat?

 

The only thing that makes us a major threat is constantly upgrading this squad we have now. If we miss CL football, we could lose players that we love and players that we would love to sign may not come.

Lose on Sunday and the gulf between where we could have been and where we will be next season will be large.

 

I agree totally that it’s brilliant for us fans to have finally won a cup, but it’s a no brainer which is more important to the clubs future. 
 

We are arriving at a massive junction with plenty of dead wood on the books and older players that have run their course. There is no guarantee that new players will work out, but that gets even harder if we are shopping on a budget.

 

We may start next season with a worse performing team, that might lead our owners to question whether Eddie has taken them as far as we can go. That may be followed by a shit manager, playing shit football and we spiral like Man U, Tottenham etc  

 

 

Not that I’m worried  

[aimaad22 5093]

11 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

I disagree. We haven’t signalled anything by winning the cup.Have palace now arrived as a major threat?

 

The only thing that makes us a major threat is constantly upgrading this squad we have now. If we miss CL football, we could lose players that we love and players that we would love to sign may not come.

Lose on Sunday and the gulf between where we could have been and where we will be next season will be large.

 

I agree totally that it’s brilliant for us fans to have finally won a cup, but it’s a no brainer which is more important to the clubs future. 
 

We are arriving at a massive junction with plenty of dead wood on the books and older players that have run their course. There is no guarantee that new players will work out, but that gets even harder if we are shopping on a budget.

 

We may start next season with a worse performing team, that might lead our owners to question whether Eddie has taken them as far as we can go. That may be followed by a shit manager, playing shit football and we spiral like Man U, Tottenham etc  

 

 

Not that I’m worried  

 

 

Mate, we've finished 4th recently, lost a final, won a final and are on the verge of finishing 4th again all within about 3 years. We also have incredibly resourceful and ambitious owners and a proper 'footballing genius' managing the team.

 

 

Palace deserve credit and its a great story but they're finishing bottom half of the table probably and their win is more comparable to Leicester's/Wigan's etc than Newcastle. Have a word with yourself. 

Edited 6 hours ago by aimaad22

[Howmanheyman 38527]

This 'would you take a cup or CL' bollocks is completely driven by pundits like Carragher, Merson etc and reserved for 'the likes of a Newcastle and a Villa' and is their way of saying you should feel lucky if you get one so don't be greedy. They wouldn't dream of saying the same about their little cabal so fuck 'em.