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Am now absolutely certain you voted Tory in 1979 I don't blame you tbh. My folks were born in the mid 30s and after (according to them) Wilson & Callaghan having every major union leader in and out of Downing Street most nights beamed live to the nation on news at 10 and the winter of discontent 78-79 am fairly certain that they did too. As am fairly sure they never did again. Basically it has to be pointed out that 70s Labour begat 80s Tories and the invention of Modern Britain

How? First two are daily mail shite, last one is a fucking fact, more than any other age bands, they don't.

I'll comeback to that tomorrow.

Exactly this, you're destroying your own argument TP

First two, who the fuck says that apart from the daily mail, last one, most of them don't, it's a fact not a soundbite.

The folks running the corporations and benefitting from them are not the average man in the street, irrespective of age, then or now. My mortgage was 3.5 times my and the Mrs' combined salaries btw, £5k !!! I fucking wish. I feel sorry for kids today tbh but what they face is not the fault of everyone from a single demographic.

Absolute fucking nonsense! The kids just don't want to work. Young people would rather spend money on lattes and Netflix. Young people don't vote etfuckingcetera

Because old people voted in the Tories for fucking ages, they did nothing to stop Murdoch or all of the other shit.

There's cunts in all generations though, no other generation gets as generalised as us old cunts.

You're falling into a trap of defending a generation you're part of, but whose typical behaviours and viewpoints are at complete odds with your own. You'd be better off agreeing they're largely all cunts and you're the exception to the rule.

Exactly.

As TBD says…”have we signed any cunt yet?”

How the fuck is it old peoples fault that young people won't vote 😂😂😂

Fuck sake. What generation was running these corporations? They weren't running themselves. The hole in the ozone layer was discovered in 1985. It took til 2010 to ban CFCs. I suppose it was the youth of the 90s who resisted for those 25 years? And aye, you had kids in the 80s but I bet you were living in a house you had a £5k mortgage on. Not your fault, but a simple fact that housing was relatively incredibly cheap back then. Whether you like it or not, this is the things kids today feel resentful for, and they get the "bloody snowflakes!" treatment. Anyway I get enough of this shit from my mam, BOOMER. Away with you.

Politicians, media, old people.

Who's fucking fault is that ??? On the WFA, I am lucky in that I don't need it, but who stoked the uproar. It's all fucking manipulation, all of it. Edit - the absolute numbers are absolutely important, if more younger folks voted Tory than old folks did the point about the old keep (kept) the torries in power is moot. I don't know the answer but I'll do some digging tomorrow when I'll be on the ole PC and see what it looks like. I'll work over/under 60 (Boomer limit).

The majority of people who don't turn out to vote are the youngest demographics, who's fault is that ?? Christ, for most of my life I've been politically disengaged because with FPP for as long as Ican remeber my vote doesn't really count, I will vote for whoever can beat the Tory (but not reform obvs.) I'd vote green if it would make a difference, but it won't.

I'm not sure the absolute numbers are the most important here, but older people are more likely to vote so that gives them disproportionate weight. Often they are ferried in by the local conservative party around here. Which is obviously fair enough, although I can understand younger voters feeling disenfranchised. I'm not giving them pelters. I mean, the uproar over WFA. Meanwhile, families with young children on the bread line get fuck all. Don't they need to be kept warm? I don't recall many pensioners pointing this out.

Bollocks

Erm it's the corporations and the markets same as it was with the mill owners and the coal barrons etc etc, it's not some specific age group of the population. As for the 80's I was newly married, had kids in the 80's in the days when pregnant women left work to have kids and you went down to one wage and made do/struggled through, and childcare was unheard of. I certainly had no income to indulge in disposable consumerism even if I could find it and I didn't know anyone who could. Climate change wasn't a thing you even heard about until into the 2000's. The first thing I recall about the environment was the "hole in the ozone layer" stuff and CFC's - they weren't banned globally until 2010. The climate sceptics I am aware of (in my local) are way younger than me btw they also happen to be brexity, reform or torries so I have learned to avoid them.

No, the people who should get pelters are the career politicians and the people who've made that a career path towards the after dinner speaking circuit and sitting around the boardroom table of the companies who've benefited most from their politicking. The people who aren't voting, aren't voting because they're disengaged from politics. That's the media, that's the politicians and that's the actions of the elderly and ifirm.

for example, i used to wear CND badges. i now accept that nuclear weapons act as a deterrent. how fucking sad is that

yeah, totally. i used to be an idealistic socialist in my youth, but the the slow creep to centrist dad is real.