AgentAxeman

hit the nail on right the head there!! i've had many jobs (office,factory,manual labour etc...) and without a doubt, office work is by far the easiest i've ever done. lack of challenge = bone idle wankers. of course you dont see it that way at the time but i defy anyone to go from an office enviroment to working on Nissans line and then tell me the office work is harder!!

its still pretty sickening tho!!

fuckin hell!!!

Boro are shedding keepers - Turnbull to Chelsea, Knight to Darlo

The bairns have got the same difference cd on.................

Bloodstock lineup looks canny this year

Here's a novel idea. It's my right to keep information about who I am to myself. Radical eh?? Thatcherite. Communist Well, there's a first. I was of course referring to the social contract between Parky and the state which guarantees his daughter an education and him facial surgery after his wife catches him feeding the pony of that 19 year old. dont see why Parky should need an id card to get his kid into school. and i dont believe he's gonna need the hospital either cos theres no way he's going to smash that lass's pastie!!!

Unbiased reporting from the British Broadcasting Communists there!!!

Here's a novel idea. It's my right to keep information about who I am to myself. Radical eh?? Thatcherite. Communist

like last season you mean?

Thats not the reason why they have them here. meebes i'm missing the point here. why are id cards needed in the 1st place if it does the same job as a passport? (which you already have). few things are given as the reasons behind ID cards, one of them being a method of reducing benefit fraud. Law & Policy ID card benefits were exaggerated, admits government "Perhaps we ran away with our own enthusiasm," says minister Tags: identity cards, government, id cards Printer Friendly Email Story RSS By Andy McCue Published: 4 August 2005 12:40 BST Show related articles The UK government has admitted that it exaggerated the benefits of ID cards by claiming they would be a panacea for identity theft, benefit fraud and terrorism. The frank admission was made by Home Office minister Tony McNulty at a private meeting with a left-wing think tank. According to reports in today's newspapers, McNulty told the seminar: "Perhaps in the past the government, in its enthusiasm, oversold the advantages of identity cards. We did suggest, or at least implied, that they may well be a panacea for identity fraud, for benefit fraud, terrorism, entitlement and access to public services... Perhaps we ran away with our own enthusiasm." McNulty refused to apologise for overselling the benefits of ID cards but admitted they won't wipe out identity theft or terrorism. [Ministers] are trying to lift themselves out of the mire they have got themselves in but it is hard to conceive how they can justify going on with the bill after this. -- Phil Booth, national co-ordinator, No2ID "It will help where fraud and abuse of identity is part of the equation. It will help in the development of some - but not all - strategies to combat identity fraud, serious crime and terrorism," he told the seminar. McNulty also warned that the legislation to make the ID cards compulsory could end up in a deadlock if the House of Lords rejects it and sends it back to MPs. Under the ID cards bill, secondary legislation to make the cards compulsory has to be approved by both MPs and Lords. The comments represent yet another change in tactics by the government and the Home Office in trying to combat falling public support for biometric ID cards. McNulty indicated the government would now emphasise the benefits to the individual rather than the state. Phil Booth, national co-ordinator of the No2ID campaign group, told silicon.com the government has realised it is not going to be able to railroad the ID cards bill through parliament in the face of such concerted opposition from the public and MPs. "It's a damning set of admissions and you don't often hear a government minister saying they have oversold something. They are trying to lift themselves out of the mire they have got themselves in but it is hard to conceive how they can justify going on with the bill after this," he said. The ID cards scheme is also set to come under scrutiny from the National Audit Office as part of a drive by the Better Regulations Task Force to slash the amount of red tape and bureaucratic processes coming out of government departments, including the Home Office. Nope, still dont see any benefits...........

Thats not the reason why they have them here. meebes i'm missing the point here. why are id cards needed in the 1st place if it does the same job as a passport? (which you already have).

Well good for them. Those Personalausweise here are quite handy, too. Can't understand the fuzz about it. whats this? (bolded bit) German version of the personal id card. so is this in addition to a passport?, or does it replace it?

Well good for them. Those Personalausweise here are quite handy, too. Can't understand the fuzz about it. whats this? (bolded bit) edit: never mind, just looked it up.

21? 26, bugga!! getting owld!! btw, in the words of the nike ad.......... JUST DO IT!!

so are these id cards in addition to a passport or do they replace them??

yup correct, but if you actually read the article instead of just looking at the words 'daily mail' (actually sunday mail article) you'll notice that there is absolutely no denial that id cards are required and desired by the eu. ergo, we're gonna get em, no matter what any bullshit politician tells ya! the eu dictates, the member countrys conform. plans for id cards are rolling out all europe. what makes us different?? Rob W, are you employed by the eu in some capacity?? edit: During the UK Presidency of the EU in 2005 a decision was made to: "Agree common standards for security features and secure issuing procedures for ID cards (December 2005), with detailed standards agreed as soon as possible thereafter. In this respect, the UK Presidency has put forward a proposal for EU-wide use of biometrics in national ID cards." this relates directly to the quotes above.

about 1 1/2 yrs. always change the number every renewal

Full of shite, ffs, he's off to arsenal every transfer window. cant remember 1 transfer window when there has'nt been 'interest' from wenger. anyhoo, did he end up scoring? or did he kick her full power over the bar!!!

just seen this on SSN. hope to god its true

From 2006. shows the government/eu was thinkin about them back then and most probably before. i know its the mail but sometimes they get things right!! Government taking EU lead over ID cardsLast updated at 09:46 26 March 2006 A fresh row over ID cards has erupted after a leaked Home Office memo showed that the Government is trying to cover up the way the scheme is linked to new EU laws. The memo obtained by The Mail on Sunday reveals that ID cards are to be launched in 2009 as the timing fits in with passport changes in the rest of Europe. It says this is being kept secret for 'political reasons' - and because the Blair Government is copying the EU changes although it has the legal right to refuse. The disclosure comes in the middle of a tug-of-war between the Commons and Lords over Government moves to force millions of Britons to obtain ID cards. Home Secretary Charles Clarke has been accused of breaking a Labour manifesto pledge that the cards would be "voluntary" after insisting that, from 2009, everyone who applies for or renews their passport will have to obtain an ID card too. The leaked memo written by Home Office ID cards policy chief Stephen Harrison advises Mr Clarke on how to defeat the latest Lords bid to reject compulsory biometric ID cards, which will contain fingerprints, "eyeprints" and a facial scan. It says the Government has not given the full facts about the timing of the ID cards scheme, "whereas it would really be linked with implementation of the EU directive (which we intend to mirror) probably around 2009". The memo indicates that by then EU biometric passports will be "the norm throughout Europe (though politically I think it would be difficult to have an explicit link with an EU directive - especially one from which we are technically excluded)". Under the Schengen Agreement of 1985, Margaret Thatcher won the right for Britain to retain control over borders and passports from the EU. Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said last night: "The cat is out of the bag on ID cards. The Government has constantly changed its mind over why ID cards are being introduced and what they are for. Until now they have always said that they are being brought in for the good of the country. "This memo reveals the truth: this whole exercise is subordinate to a European Union diktat. Furthermore it is one which we do not even have to obey." A Home Office spokesman said: "There is no secret plot. We always made it clear that one of the reasons for having biometric passports is that the EU and the US are making similar changes. "The link between new passports and ID cards in Britain is not because of the EU directive, it is caused by other factors such as the amount of time it will take to obtain Royal Assent for the legislation." The campaign to stop ID cards being made compulsory will be boosted this week by Lady Thatcher's former Cabinet Secretary Lord Armstrong. The independent peer has tabled an amendment supported by Tory and Lib Dem peers which would give people the right to opt out of having to apply for an ID card when they apply for a new passport or renew an existing one. "I believe this is an important issue of personal freedom," he said. But Labour officials say Mr Clarke is determined to force through the new law, if necessary by using the Parliament Act to crush rebel peers.

Good news if its true. but i aint holding my breath.......................

This obsession with data what the fuck is it about anyway? Nobody reads it (they'd have to hire an army of admin clerks).... Brazil, fookin gr8!! film! oh, and id cards? they'll probably rear their ugly heads again cos the Eu is pushing for them.