AgentAxeman

still nowt on SSN

But how would you replace all the trade with EU countries that is dependent on EU tariffs etc? The last thing I saw mentioned 11m jobs - of course a lot of trade would find a way around it but even a 25% loss would cost a lot more than £30bn. "We get nowt back" shows immense naivity imo. whoa big lad, havent i just said that countrys outside the eu deal with the eu on better terms?? which means if we could negotiate a decent deal (fat chance of that maybe) we would then be dealing on better terms than the tariff now imposed on us!! as alexander the meerkat says "Simples!" ok i know its not quite that simple but however you put it i still cant see many (if any) advantages (monetary or otherwise) to membership of the eu! please explain if i'm missing something

The US telly one is a scream for starters - it comes from their underlying notion that "British" is perfect for everything and if we just remove all the outside influences, all our problems would magically disappear - its beyond stupid. As for the EU as I've said until the BNP or the UKIP can actually explain how the economy would work without it, leaving is a non-starter. How anyone can believe the crap UKIP spout is beyond me. Look at who they are ffs, they are basically the extreme right wing loony fringe of mainstream politics, extories with views that were too unpalatable for the tory party. White middle class little Englanders who are utterly corrupt and do not stand for anything positive. As for the BNP, it's ironic, but rather than feel any sense of nationalistic pride in them it make me feel ashamed that nearly one million British people would like us to live in a fascist state. There's simply no excuse for using BNP as a protest vote either, none whatsoever. whats wrong with being white, middle class and from england?? ffs you've just killed yer own argument by saying something racist. i reckon you must have got this straight from the pen of Polly Toynbee, that well known, well balanced socialist who believes everyone should be equal as long as theres still champange and caviar for her and her mates. whilst i agree that everyone should have they're say all your doing is exactly what you accuse the "far right" of doing which is belittling and criticising everyone who doesnt share your world view. grow up man ffs. you should be more intelligent than to believe the propaganda the far left mainstream media feeds you. 'Far left mainstream media' - what a load of bollocks. There's nothing wrong with being white and middle class or from England. What I have a problem with is people who are Little Englanders in the 21st century, which is what I stated if you bothered to read what I said. Narrow-minded xenophobes who want us out of Europe whatever the consequences, the same people who have some bizarre idea that they, historically the most priveleged in our society, are somehow victimised and 'aren't allowed to be proud of being English'. The leadership of UKIP and their policies are pathetic - IN MY OPINION. Now, how is any of that in any way racist, please explain? Anyway, UKIP are essentially a one issue party that get some attention every 4 years come European election time. They'll fade into the background now for another 4 years, quite happily and quietly pocketing the maximum of their expenses while doing nothing of any value in the meantime. They're parasites at the end of the day, I'm glad our region isn't represented by them. How anyone thinks they could benefit the North East I don't know. good point about ukip. mind you i'm also struggling to figure out how the eu actually helps the north east?? oh and you did state "white, middle class little englanders" its a bit specific... but i take your point For two reasons. First, being in the EU is vital for trade, from which the whole country benefits. But secondly, the EU has a policy of developing underprivileged areas of the Union, of which we are certainly one. Regarding the media, they absolutely love reporting on the negative aspects of being in the EU (including made up ones) but rarely touch on the benefits, which objectively outweigh the drawbacks; that's why the EU has so many members and why other countries are desperate to join (and why none of the mainstream parties seriously want to leave the EU). It's partly against this backdrop, as well as the failure of the EU to positively promote itself, that we have a rise in euroskepticism amongst the public. I know a bloke who likes nothing better than to complain about England, ranging from the state of the roads, the behaviour of children, and the usual PC gone mad Daily Mail stuff. He holidays regularly in France, and loves it, constantly saying how much better things are over there. And what does he vote? UKIP. I'm sorry, I just don't get this type of mentality, it all strikes me as odd and depressing. sorry man, but yer mad if you think that. theres countrys outside the eu which trade with the eu on better terms than the uk. also the countrys desperate to join are pretty much ex easten bloc types (not all) or countrys without wealth. this will overall have a levelling effect on every country in as i call it "the new soviet bloc" or eu to those too young to remember it. and depite tony and gordons best efforts the uk is still one of the wealthiest in the eu. ergo, make gets taken from us (about 35-40billion a year) and we get nowt back. we used to get a rebate of something like 6billion but this was negotiated away by tony fuckin blair and his government. so im sorry if yer maths aint up to much (maybe modern day teaching methods perhaps???) but i still cant see any advantages to eu membership. its all about power to the elite if you ask me!! Well I can see neither are us are experts but we'll agree to disagree. That's me agreeing with New Labour, The Liberal Democrats, the Conservative party, and virtually the entire of Western Europe, and you agreeing with the likes of Norway, UKIP and the BNP. ok mate, agree to that!!

on there now, cant see anything

The US telly one is a scream for starters - it comes from their underlying notion that "British" is perfect for everything and if we just remove all the outside influences, all our problems would magically disappear - its beyond stupid. As for the EU as I've said until the BNP or the UKIP can actually explain how the economy would work without it, leaving is a non-starter. How anyone can believe the crap UKIP spout is beyond me. Look at who they are ffs, they are basically the extreme right wing loony fringe of mainstream politics, extories with views that were too unpalatable for the tory party. White middle class little Englanders who are utterly corrupt and do not stand for anything positive. As for the BNP, it's ironic, but rather than feel any sense of nationalistic pride in them it make me feel ashamed that nearly one million British people would like us to live in a fascist state. There's simply no excuse for using BNP as a protest vote either, none whatsoever. whats wrong with being white, middle class and from england?? ffs you've just killed yer own argument by saying something racist. i reckon you must have got this straight from the pen of Polly Toynbee, that well known, well balanced socialist who believes everyone should be equal as long as theres still champange and caviar for her and her mates. whilst i agree that everyone should have they're say all your doing is exactly what you accuse the "far right" of doing which is belittling and criticising everyone who doesnt share your world view. grow up man ffs. you should be more intelligent than to believe the propaganda the far left mainstream media feeds you. 'Far left mainstream media' - what a load of bollocks. There's nothing wrong with being white and middle class or from England. What I have a problem with is people who are Little Englanders in the 21st century, which is what I stated if you bothered to read what I said. Narrow-minded xenophobes who want us out of Europe whatever the consequences, the same people who have some bizarre idea that they, historically the most priveleged in our society, are somehow victimised and 'aren't allowed to be proud of being English'. The leadership of UKIP and their policies are pathetic - IN MY OPINION. Now, how is any of that in any way racist, please explain? Anyway, UKIP are essentially a one issue party that get some attention every 4 years come European election time. They'll fade into the background now for another 4 years, quite happily and quietly pocketing the maximum of their expenses while doing nothing of any value in the meantime. They're parasites at the end of the day, I'm glad our region isn't represented by them. How anyone thinks they could benefit the North East I don't know. good point about ukip. mind you i'm also struggling to figure out how the eu actually helps the north east?? oh and you did state "white, middle class little englanders" its a bit specific... but i take your point For two reasons. First, being in the EU is vital for trade, from which the whole country benefits. But secondly, the EU has a policy of developing underprivileged areas of the Union, of which we are certainly one. Regarding the media, they absolutely love reporting on the negative aspects of being in the EU (including made up ones) but rarely touch on the benefits, which objectively outweigh the drawbacks; that's why the EU has so many members and why other countries are desperate to join (and why none of the mainstream parties seriously want to leave the EU). It's partly against this backdrop, as well as the failure of the EU to positively promote itself, that we have a rise in euroskepticism amongst the public. I know a bloke who likes nothing better than to complain about England, ranging from the state of the roads, the behaviour of children, and the usual PC gone mad Daily Mail stuff. He holidays regularly in France, and loves it, constantly saying how much better things are over there. And what does he vote? UKIP. I'm sorry, I just don't get this type of mentality, it all strikes me as odd and depressing. sorry man, but yer mad if you think that. theres countrys outside the eu which trade with the eu on better terms than the uk. also the countrys desperate to join are pretty much ex easten bloc types (not all) or countrys without wealth. this will overall have a levelling effect on every country in as i call it "the new soviet bloc" or eu to those too young to remember it. and depite tony and gordons best efforts the uk is still one of the wealthiest in the eu. ergo, make gets taken from us (about 35-40billion a year) and we get nowt back. we used to get a rebate of something like 6billion but this was negotiated away by tony fuckin blair and his government. so im sorry if yer maths aint up to much (maybe modern day teaching methods perhaps???) but i still cant see any advantages to eu membership. its all about power to the elite if you ask me!!

Good shout that who would your choice of speedy striker be? (if you have one) i like Nathan Tyson from forest think he could step up Leroy Lita Not what he once was but he's on a free unless someone has already snapped him up so we should really go for him imo get someone creative alongside and i reckon he'd be banging them in again. reminds me of Andy Cole when he first came to peoples attention

The US telly one is a scream for starters - it comes from their underlying notion that "British" is perfect for everything and if we just remove all the outside influences, all our problems would magically disappear - its beyond stupid. As for the EU as I've said until the BNP or the UKIP can actually explain how the economy would work without it, leaving is a non-starter. How anyone can believe the crap UKIP spout is beyond me. Look at who they are ffs, they are basically the extreme right wing loony fringe of mainstream politics, extories with views that were too unpalatable for the tory party. White middle class little Englanders who are utterly corrupt and do not stand for anything positive. As for the BNP, it's ironic, but rather than feel any sense of nationalistic pride in them it make me feel ashamed that nearly one million British people would like us to live in a fascist state. There's simply no excuse for using BNP as a protest vote either, none whatsoever. whats wrong with being white, middle class and from england?? ffs you've just killed yer own argument by saying something racist. i reckon you must have got this straight from the pen of Polly Toynbee, that well known, well balanced socialist who believes everyone should be equal as long as theres still champange and caviar for her and her mates. whilst i agree that everyone should have they're say all your doing is exactly what you accuse the "far right" of doing which is belittling and criticising everyone who doesnt share your world view. grow up man ffs. you should be more intelligent than to believe the propaganda the far left mainstream media feeds you. 'Far left mainstream media' - what a load of bollocks. There's nothing wrong with being white and middle class or from England. What I have a problem with is people who are Little Englanders in the 21st century, which is what I stated if you bothered to read what I said. Narrow-minded xenophobes who want us out of Europe whatever the consequences, the same people who have some bizarre idea that they, historically the most priveleged in our society, are somehow victimised and 'aren't allowed to be proud of being English'. The leadership of UKIP and their policies are pathetic - IN MY OPINION. Now, how is any of that in any way racist, please explain? Anyway, UKIP are essentially a one issue party that get some attention every 4 years come European election time. They'll fade into the background now for another 4 years, quite happily and quietly pocketing the maximum of their expenses while doing nothing of any value in the meantime. They're parasites at the end of the day, I'm glad our region isn't represented by them. How anyone thinks they could benefit the North East I don't know. good point about ukip. mind you i'm also struggling to figure out how the eu actually helps the north east?? oh and you did state "white, middle class little englanders" its a bit specific... but i take your point

yes, sorry kidda but the 1st thing any gov does when it gets in is put people in positions of power at all gov controlled media (eg bbc). this then filters down into mainstream media. also all political press releases are directly from the goverment themselves so the media have no choice but to print what is given to them. Were these people in positions of power on holiday in and around the time of the Iraq dossier/Hutton enquiry? I didn't see the BBC doing the government any favours there. really?? anyone taken the blame yet??

yes, sorry kidda but the 1st thing any gov does when it gets in is put people in positions of power at all gov controlled media (eg bbc). this then filters down into mainstream media. also all political press releases are directly from the goverment themselves so the media have no choice but to print what is given to them. and before you say the goverment isnt far left just consider that throughout the tenure over half the cabinet ministers have at one time or another been a member of the communist party and if thats not far left then i dont know what is?? if you think i'm wrong then thats your perogative. if you think i voted for the wrong party at the last round of elections, again thats your perogative. however that doesnt change what i believe. i dont criticise you for your beliefs now do i??

The US telly one is a scream for starters - it comes from their underlying notion that "British" is perfect for everything and if we just remove all the outside influences, all our problems would magically disappear - its beyond stupid. As for the EU as I've said until the BNP or the UKIP can actually explain how the economy would work without it, leaving is a non-starter. How anyone can believe the crap UKIP spout is beyond me. Look at who they are ffs, they are basically the extreme right wing loony fringe of mainstream politics, extories with views that were too unpalatable for the tory party. White middle class little Englanders who are utterly corrupt and do not stand for anything positive. As for the BNP, it's ironic, but rather than feel any sense of nationalistic pride in them it make me feel ashamed that nearly one million British people would like us to live in a fascist state. There's simply no excuse for using BNP as a protest vote either, none whatsoever. whats wrong with being white, middle class and from england?? ffs you've just killed yer own argument by saying something racist. i reckon you must have got this straight from the pen of Polly Toynbee, that well known, well balanced socialist who believes everyone should be equal as long as theres still champange and caviar for her and her mates. whilst i agree that everyone should have they're say all your doing is exactly what you accuse the "far right" of doing which is belittling and criticising everyone who doesnt share your world view. grow up man ffs. you should be more intelligent than to believe the propaganda the far left mainstream media feeds you.

Good shout that who would your choice of speedy striker be? (if you have one) i like Nathan Tyson from forest think he could step up Leroy Lita

the Jackhammer pedals are fookin gr8 kit would have it myself if i wasnt already overstocked in the pedal dept.

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1st - i got the txtspeak reference. however i'm fairly certain if i check back through all your posts i'll find some form of abbreviation somewhere 2nd - all i'm saying there is theres 1 rule for 1 (members of a certain religion) and another rule for those horrible right wing nutters that Guardian readers are always bleating about. freedom of speach should work both ways. you cant just ban someone from a country BCOS they're saying something you dont like. (well actually you can as has been proved) I guess Democracy is a bitch when people you dont agree with get votes!! Plenty of islamic fundamentalists have been refused entry to the UK though, and some of those here have been arrested for inciting hatred. Freedom of speech and how far this should go is an interesting and controversial area, but I don't think the misinformation you've presented really helps the debate. Good point. imho freedom of speach should be just that. total freedom or its not freedom at all! Well that's one viewpoint I suppose but in reality it's not that simple. I think if you allowed incitement of hatred it would lead to a real rise in violence and murder. Also you have to be able to protect individuals against defamation etc. Basically it's a minefield and it leaves the authorities open to criticism whatever they do. But in the case of that dutch fruitloop, I would let him in for the comedy value of his hair alone. P.S. Fuck, this is in the wrong thread! i agree. lets get back to disagreeing about smoking

what? as opposed to the last couple of seasons you mean??

1st - i got the txtspeak reference. however i'm fairly certain if i check back through all your posts i'll find some form of abbreviation somewhere 2nd - all i'm saying there is theres 1 rule for 1 (members of a certain religion) and another rule for those horrible right wing nutters that Guardian readers are always bleating about. freedom of speach should work both ways. you cant just ban someone from a country BCOS they're saying something you dont like. (well actually you can as has been proved) I guess Democracy is a bitch when people you dont agree with get votes!! Plenty of islamic fundamentalists have been refused entry to the UK though, and some of those here have been arrested for inciting hatred. Freedom of speech and how far this should go is an interesting and controversial area, but I don't think the misinformation you've presented really helps the debate. Good point. imho freedom of speach should be just that. total freedom or its not freedom at all!

totally agree. thought he was developing into a decent player last season. however, i take the point about his wages maybe being a possible barrier to that.

1st - i got the txtspeak reference. however i'm fairly certain if i check back through all your posts i'll find some form of abbreviation somewhere 2nd - all i'm saying there is theres 1 rule for 1 (members of a certain religion) and another rule for those horrible right wing nutters that Guardian readers are always bleating about. freedom of speach should work both ways. you cant just ban someone from a country BCOS they're saying something you dont like. (well actually you can as has been proved) I guess Democracy is a bitch when people you dont agree with get votes!!

There's no 140 character limit on these posts. p.s. "Live and Let Live i say"? not according to your other post ?????? elaborate please??

na, not right wing enough (thats a joke btw)

confirmed going to Crystal Palace

A lot of Health nazis on here. I smoke but not a lot. maybe 3 or 4 a day. obviously more if im out on the lash. i dont smoke in the house (i go into the garage) bcos i respect wor lasses wishes. i dont smoke in front of the bairns bcos i dont want them to start smoking. however i wouldnt criticise them if they did. that would just be too hypocritical. I have no problem whatsoever with people who dont smoke, even those who seem obsessed with people who do smoke. Just bcos we dont agree it doesnt give you the right to be judgemental or to censor people. theres a word for that. i think its called facism Live and Let Live i say

considering our desperate need for FB's might be worth a shot.

Sounds like a nice fella. i notice hes banned from britain for incitement to hatred. however there are people of a certain religion which i shall not mention who are here already, preaching violence and hatred and all at the taxpayers expense. only difference i can see is the colour of the skin and religion they follow. what a fucked up country we live in!! discuss Another one of Stevie's aliases? who's he??? na, not Stevie whoever he is