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Never one to be the pedant but can I also point out the magnitude of how incorrect you are: 08/09 - Stoke 12th - 5 points off 10th. 06/07 - Reading 8th 05/06 - West Ham 9th & Wigan 10th 03/04 - Pompey 13th, 5 points off 10th 02/03 - Citeh 9th & Birmingham 13th 2 points off 10th I still don't think we will do better than 15th Stoke City 08-09 season spent £30m on transfers and didnt finish in the top 10 Reading 06-07 season spent £8m on transfers West Ham 05-06 season spent £19m on transfers, Wigan spent £9m Going back any further is pointless as different league back on 2003 Newcastle United have spent £1m on transfers so far in 2010-2011 So looking at that i'm partically incorrect yes, but also partially correct... certainly there is no "magnitude" to how wrong I am here. One thing is for certain is that to spend £1m after promotion does not make a top ten team. In fact in the last 3 seasons 4 newly promoted teams out of 9 have been relegated (Burnley, WBA, Brum, Derby)... in the process Derby spent £15.5m, Brum spend £18.75m, WBA £9.25m, Burnley £12m. So my original post might not have been spot on... but I think these stats back up the sentiment of what I was saying.

Its massively unlikely any team who's just won promotion would finish in the top half of the league... even if they spent shit loads of money: Last Season's top 15: Chelsea Man U Arsenal Spurs Man City Villa Liverpool Everton Brum Blackburn Stoke Fulham Sunderland Bolton Wolves I fail to see how the Toon will finish higher than any of those teams this year. 16th-17th would represent a good season and something to build on for next year, whilst also giving the likes of Carroll another season of development and experience of playing at the top level. Not that I think we will finish any higher than 15th, haven't you just contradicted yourself with Birmingham finishing in the top half the season after promotion? I hate it when people shoot down my arguments Ok its possible if you spend a reasonable amount of money and bring in some shrewd signings: Hart - Loan Roger Johnson - £5m Benitez - Loan Ferguson - £1.25m Gardner - £3m Michel - £3m Still thats £12.25 million and Joe Hart on Loan (who I think played a massive part in their sucess) So yes its possible, if somewhat unlikely

Stumbled across this yesterday on me way to get some photo's developed at Boots... thought i'd pop in and see if I could pick up a nice shirt for cheap, ended up walking out with a £170 suit for £37.50. There's not a huge selection of stuff left, but if anyone's off to do a bit of shopping and wants a major bargain its worth popping in. £40 shirts for £6.50, £50 shirts for £10 etc etc. Also quite a lot of fit birds in the Metro Centre yesterday so worth going just for that

Its massively unlikely any team who's just won promotion would finish in the top half of the league... even if they spent shit loads of money: Last Season's top 15: Chelsea Man U Arsenal Spurs Man City Villa Liverpool Everton Brum Blackburn Stoke Fulham Sunderland Bolton Wolves I fail to see how the Toon will finish higher than any of those teams this year. 16th-17th would represent a good season and something to build on for next year, whilst also giving the likes of Carroll another season of development and experience of playing at the top level.

Blackburn - Wrong Bolton - Wrong Stoke - Wrong West Ham - Debatable Wigan - Debatable Wolverhampton - Wrong

Haha well yeah I knew I would run out part way through tbh but I didnt have the cash to buy a load to do it all in one go. So I just got cracking and finished the 1st part just as I got the funds together to finish it off. Anyway what kind of man plans DIY? Its only a good job if you've boshed it all together in the most random and least productive way possible

Tbh because of the way i've built it I need them to be a specific size (60x60) so not sure if anyone will have those ones but i'll have a look. Cheers for the info. Anyone know any good suppliers? I saw one on the way from gateshead to south tyneside (for work) but not sure where exactly... could have been springwell/wardley way but was a long time ago.

In the middle of building a patio with some paving stones I reclaimed from an old patio but dont have enough... does anyone know any good places to buy these things for fairly cheap, or is B&Q my best bet?

I e-mailed them yesterday to check it was legit and this was the reply... Hello Andy, Yes the Groupon offer is genuine and sanctioned by ourselves. You can use your Groupon voucher any time as long as you book in advance. Please see fine print conditions on Groupon offer. Thanks David Salsa Cafe & Tapas Bar 0191 221 1022 www.salsacafe.com So basically go will yer boots!

Offft I feel sorry on you for typing that out This was 4 years ago. Haha serves me right for not reading the dates at the start of the thread!

Work for a small company and get treated well, work for a large company and be treated like shit... seems to be that way for me anyway! What ever you decide to do my advice would be to join a union. They will offer you all sorts of advice and make sure that if you refuse to do something that you wont get in the shit for it, and will help you with how to word things so as not to land yourself in trouble. Alternatively they might tell you that the company is in the right (unlikely in this case) and then at least you know not to kick up a fuss. I'm in the union at my work and they have helped me out with a lot of stuff!!!

Can't be arsed to read all the repsonses so not sure if this has been reolved or not, but i've been in a similar situation so here's my advice: 1) Do NOT tell her you have read her texts!!! Also stop reading them as you're just making yourself more paranoid by doing so! Also if she finds out you have then expect a one way ticket to dumpsville, and for him to be all sympathetic and say how he "understands her" unlike you before slipping his dick in her. 2) Do NOT have a word with him!!! You're just playing in to his hands if you do and he'll turn it round to make YOU look like the bad guy! Like I say I was in a similar situation and all I did was explain to my lass (now wife) that I didn't like this guy creeping around her, that he didn't want to be just friends and that her friendship with him bothered me a lot, and although she might think its innocent that I wouldn't have the same friendship with a lass because I wouldn't want to upset her. Then explained that she should put MY feelings before his and stop replying to his texts and e-mails. She did this, he got the message and left her alone eventually. It was a totaly pluetonic thing on her behalf as she had worked with him for a while, but he wanted more and had told her that... I didnt think she'd ever do anything or leave me for him, I just thought he was a creep and didn't want her associating with him. As her boyfriend you have a right to state how you feel... if she cares about you enough then she'll listen to what you say and put YOUR feelings 1st... if she doesn't then maybe she's not that great after all? Anyway seeing as i've mentioned feelings in this post several times I feel I need to re-address the masculinity of this post... Saw this lass walk past yesterday like and she had proper big lovely tits... would love to shag her and her mate she was with like... proper hard like and film it so i could show all me mates down the boozer after i'd knecked 20 pints of Jack Daniels!

When Vaughan broke on the scene he looked a prospect of epic proportions! Youngest ever Everton Scorer, Youngest Premier League Scorer, Pace, Power, Work Rate, Finishing Ability. The next season he played the last I think it was 9 games of the season scoring 6 or 7 goals. Unfortunately this is where the other side to Vaughan quickly became apparent.... he got a bad injury! During the close season Moyes signed Yakubu and said at the time that if Vaughan hadn't got injured he'd have started the season as 1st choice and Yakubu wouldn't have been signed... considering the lad was 17 i think that speaks very highly of him! Unfortunately he's hardly played since then as a sucession of career threatening injuries have robbed him of some of the key years of his development. Now if you see him play he lacks pretty much any technical ability, runs around like a headless chicken and couldn't hit a barn door. I think Moyes would quite happily move him on and the price knocking about seems to be around the £1m mark. Its a tough one to call with the lad because he does have bags of talent, but he hasn't been fit for more than about 3 months in total in the last 4 years, so it's almost like his body just isn't built for footy. Its a damn shame like because he really did have all the tools as a 16-17 year old to make it in a big way. Would I recommend the Toon buying him? No. The lad needs to go out on loan or sign for a championship team and play there consistantly for a year or two at least without picking up any injuries to see if he can hack it. The problem is if a player misses the years 17-21 as a footballer then these are key years of development and you can really see it in the way he plays. If he leaves i'll be sad but also I think its time to accept that he wont ever become the player he could have been. He'd be good for a championship club who dont mind taking a gamble on him, but I can't see him having a big impact at the toon.

AAGGGGHHHHHH HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?!!!!! Moved up to Durham at the age of 9 due to my Dad being re-located with work... moved around the areas a bit before settling down in Wallsend and then Ryton. I remember you posting saying Rainbow Garden was a shite chinkeys. I love it me portions are too small though. Haha you have a fantastic memory! I think it was mainly cause it gave me the shits that I wasn't too keen on it lol! Found a class one over in High Spen but can't remember the name... no explosive arse from this one which is always good

AAGGGGHHHHHH HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?!!!!! Moved up to Durham at the age of 9 due to my Dad being re-located with work... moved around the areas a bit before settling down in Wallsend and then Ryton.

Fair comment

Well on one hand you're saying that Gosling's long term ambitions can be met better at Newcastle than Everton... as in implying the Toon will no doubt have better chances of silverware than Everton? Yet then you say Newcastle United are shit? Surely if you're shit you will struggle to stay up this season. Surely if you struggle to stay up this season it means you accept the fact you may not do so and be relegated. Yet you say Gosling's long term ambitions can be better served at Newcastle United? Your arguments dont even make any sense! I think stevie meant that your midfield is of a somewhat better quality than ours. Gosling will get more of an opportunity to advance his career with us as he may not get into your first XI. Yeah I considered that but when you read it, it doesn't sound like that... so its either poorly worded or not what he meant: "He knows he's joining an infinitely better supported, higher profile club, who can achieve more than Everton's limits long term if the club is run right".

HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! One of the best English prospects in the league? Who the fuck have you been speaking too? Seriously mate he's ok with the potential to be a decent enough player... he will never be good enough to play international football and will never be good enough to command a place in a top 6 or 7 team. Dont get me wrong for a newly promoted club with little money to spend its a good signing, but I suggest the non-everton people you have been speaking to actually go and watch players properly before making such poor observations about them. I would say on current ability he's a 5/10. He has the potential to be a 6.5/10 player if he progresses to his maximum potential abilty. Are you a regular attender of Everton games Andy? I do think your assesment sounds honest but I'm interested to know how backed up it is. And I would say Gosling has regularly been talked up by football people as a great prospect (whether this is right or wrong I don't know but obviously I hope it's right). I get to a few games a year but watch pretty much every match on the internet or telly when I cant get there. A lot of players get talked up because they do one good thing without "those in the know" actually seeing the player when they are having a nightmare most games. I mean just look at the shower of shite that is Lee Dixon and Mark Bright to see that those in the know are quite often clueless morons. Gosling scored the winner for us against Liverpool in the FA CUP and as a result was catapulted to a certain degree in to the media's attention... therefore he gets seen to be this great prospect. If these people actually watched the player week in week out (well when he was getting a game) they'd have seen that his overall game is limited. I agree wholheartedly with what you're saying there but I would also fire back at you that I don't believe you can truely see the value of a player by seeing him play live on only a few occassions and watching the rest on tv/internet. I'm not saying the kid if class or anything because I truly don't know but I'd rather take the honest opinion of someone who's seen him play 'live' more regularly. Of course due the way he's left you, I think an honest opinion will be fairly difficult to come by. Yeah but I know many people and speak to many people who go to games every week (home and away) and their opinion is exactly the same as mine. Like I say he's ok but not amazing. A good signing for a newly promoted club and has potential to be a useful player but never amazing. Feel free to log on to one of the Everton forums and have a chat with Everton fans there if you want a proper insight rather than taking mine or some other guys (or the media's) word for it. As for the way he left us? Its not like the whole Rooney situation where the fans litteraly hated him beyond belief. Gosling is very insignificant to us and our future, the loss is the potential money not the player... I think most fans are quite uninterested in Gosling himself other that to think he's got a bit of a cheek, but the board are who we are VERY angry with for the situation. Fair enough, like I said, I do believe you're giving your honest opinion and I've had a look through some Everton forums and there doesn't seem to be many people particularly bothered about losing him. But when you have players like Cahill, Arteta, Fellaini, Peinar, Rodwell etc in front of him that quite possibly doesn't reflect that badly on the kid. Others have likened him to Leon Osman which maybe is the kind of player you're suggesting he could turn out like anyway which wouldn't be too bad for us at all. Just for the record this is a humble poster right here. Listened to what i said, wasn't sure if he believed me or not, did a bit of digging around and said "yeah fair enough maybe you're right". So I take back that the humble supporter has disappeared on here as there are still some around I aint that humble, I do actually agree with a fair bit of what Stevie posted (albeit I certainly wouldn't have said it in the same way). Don't agree that you are a chanpionship club but I certainly don't agree with you that you would be much bigger than us if you got a new stadium. We are a bigger, better supported club but you have a considerably better team at the moment and are much better run than us (but us being badly run is something very few people on here would argue with). I just meant in the sense that on the pitch it would be very hard to catch us becasue we have an excellent base already. Support wise you have one of the biggest and most loyal set of supporters which i am happy to admit is larger then ours. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said although you might agree with some/most of what Stevie posted you would have said it in a different way. You may not think yourself humble, but to me you come across as being so.

Well on one hand you're saying that Gosling's long term ambitions can be met better at Newcastle than Everton... as in implying the Toon will no doubt have better chances of silverware than Everton? Yet then you say Newcastle United are shit? Surely if you're shit you will struggle to stay up this season. Surely if you struggle to stay up this season it means you accept the fact you may not do so and be relegated. Yet you say Gosling's long term ambitions can be better served at Newcastle United? Your arguments dont even make any sense!

And you wonder why a lot of the country think the Geordie faithful to be massively deluded? You think at the moment Newcastle are a higher profile club than Everton?!! WTF?!!!!! You say that we dont have the infrastructure to suceed in the modern game, but Newcastle do? How about you make these statements in 5 years time once/if Ashley has left and your team have not only managed to stay in the premier league but then built upon that and advanced to such a stage that you are regularly finishing above Everton. "If the club is run right" ... Fuck me when has it EVER been run correctly?!! If its "making bold statements day" i'll throw my 2 pence worth in and say that "IF" Everton were bought out by a man with a decent amount of money and could afford to build us a new stadium Newcastle would NEVER be able to hold a candle to Everton! Our "infrastructure" in terms of little debt and and excellent squad means that we are already light years ahead of you on the pitch! Put in our history and heritage and you can quite frankly feck off lol! No offence to the more grounded supporters on here, but this guy is on some seriously mind warping drugs if he actually believes what he wrote lol! Firstly of course we're a higher profile club than Everton. People are interested in us, we are more newsworthy, because we hold greater appeal, and it's not just due to our far bigger fanbase, we just hold more national appeal because for the right reasons and wrong reasons (and there are plenty of those) we are far more interesting club. Whether you dispute that is irrelevant, we are. You're there but no one really cares, the type of club who could win 10 champions leagues in a row, but the country and media would think so fuck boring cunts. I've spoken with Everton fans about this and it irks them, the fact that nationally you're seen as a dull club. That said Moyes has massively overachieved with the club, he's worked wonders with a club which has arguably the worst stadium in the country (with cheapest ticket prices) and what was a very mediocre turnover. What I meant about the infrastructure was the stadium, I appreciate you've built an adequate new training complex, but the actual fanbase you have as well as the stadium are arguably better suited to the Championship than the Premiership, but fair play to Moyes as I said, a club like you, with the turnover you have (and location), problems you have regarding a new stadium which could never happen, coming in the top half let alone the top six is an excellent achievement. Now compare that infrastructure with ours, one of the best training facilities in Europe, other than Manchester United arguably the biggest LOCAL fanbase in the country, one of the finest stadiums in Europe which is regularly full, history of sustaining top 3/4 finishes, history of being in the top 10 richest clubs in Europe, you can't even compare the infrastructure at Everton in modern day football. That said what Moyes has been trying to build at Everton could be compared to Clough at Derby, but with such a humble set up, he should be knighted. As for Newcastle never being able to hold a candle to Everton if you had a new stadium, you can't fill a tiny 39,000 capacity stadium now, 18,000 turn out in the UEFA Cup, you're an irrelevant club who have overachieved. The fanbase is a clubs core, I can't even remember you bringing more than 2,000 here in the last 10 years. You're a smaller Aston Villa imo. Your history and heritage yes, you've won 15 trophies to our 11, yet you're seen as a succesful club throughout the ages, and we're seen as underachievers. What does that tell you? No one notices you or cares, you're just there, Everton. Like I say its really up to you guys how you want to be viewed. Personally I'd take our slightly "dull" and quiet progression over the moyes era to the comical circus that has been Newcastle United over the years. I came on here to give some insight in to Gosling (which most of you want to ignore thinking somehow you know better because you caught "50 top prospects in England" in the Sun one week), and surprise surprise the more humble people that seemed to emerge when the toon went down have completely turned round or at least disappeared. It was interesting last year because the attitude had changed to such a more realistic view of your club, but now you've been promoted its back to the old times of believing you're a "massive club". Do you know anything about our training facilties btw? To call them "adequate" just shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Oh and we're a team more suited to the Championship?!!! You do realise we had the 8th highest home attendance in the Premier League last season? This in "arguably the worst stadium in the premier league". So yes Newcastle have an excellent stadium, and a great local fan base, but you're just a newly promoted club who have a serious amount of rebuilding to do, a clown in charge of the whole setup and really should learn to walk before you run. Try a little bit of realism and if you do you'll realise its not always good to have attention (especially when people are laughing at you), that despite your fiercly loyal support you are sometimes completely blinded by your loyalty, you are not anything other than a newly promoted club who must EARN the right to be in the premier league and then spend several years building on that and becoming a GOOD club... you are not there at this moment in time... like I say try to see things without your black and white tinted glasses on. I wish The Toon all the best for the new season I really do, I live here and have lots of Geordie mates, I even go to the odd game... But some of you, some of the time need to take a step back and look at things from the real world! Most of the humble posters have disappeared?? Have they? None of them have said anything offensive about Everton they're just stating facts. The only positive comparison they've had about us compared to Everton in this post apart from me, stating what most people think, is we're a far far higher profile club, and you rightly point out it's better to be comparative nobodies and progress on the pitch, and you're right because that's what it's all about. So explain where anyone has lacked humility on here, apart from you rushing over to tell people that Gosling's not very good and was never good enough for Everton. Every time I saw him he looked a player. Three years ago I would've said everything you've said there about James Milner, yet here we are and he's on the verge of a £30m move and is playing for England. As for try a little realism, and the humility thing, I haven't seen one person say we'd come higher than 14th next season, most of us would take 17th now, as long as we settle in and gradually build up again to let the club fulfill it's almost unlimited potential in the future. People laughing at us, nah we don't care, as Cantona once it's good to be talked about even when it's bad because it shows you exist. No one said we are a good club at this moment in time, we're nothing like the club we were or can be, where has anyone said we're a good club? Lastly who isn't living in the real world, just an emotional post of nonsense that mate, and even though people like me don't respect your club, get a grip and hold on to the belief that you are what you think you are. Are you being serious? Maybe you should go back and re-read what you wrote? Here's a few excerts just in case you missed them: You're there but no one really cares, the type of club who could win 10 champions leagues in a row, but the country and media would think so fuck boring cunts But the actual fanbase you have as well as the stadium are arguably better suited to the Championship than the Premiership That said what Moyes has been trying to build at Everton could be compared to Clough at Derby, but with such a humble set up, he should be knighted You're an irrelevant club who have overachieved You are either a deliberately or accidentaly patronising twat... either way you're a patronising twat. Also I didnt "rush over here" to tell Everyone Gosling ins't very good. I actually read this forum sometimes and decided that seeing as I would obviously know more about the player then most on here i'd offer a insight in to your new signing. I probs shouldn't have bothered as some on here are quite clearly the font of all football knowledge. You think you come across as humble? Really? Aye that's me you said the humble posters have disappeared, as if everyone thinks we're Barcelona. Coming on here saying we lack humility, we know how shite we are, no one has even disputed that, so take me out of the equation, who else lacks humility? Hmm probs just you tbh... I hadn't twigged that all those posts were from the same person at first.

Oh yeah and this is the random post that kicked this whole debate off... Feel free to look back through these pages and see anywhere that I even mentioned anything that should prompt such a response.... In fact all I did was come on here and give some insight to the player you we're at the time linked with. Bit of a wanker really aren't you?

Yep just quetly going about our work of building an excellent squad with the likes of Arteta, Cahill, Jagielka, Fellaini etc and getting to cup finals whilst other teams dramtically implode and constantly fuck up to the enjoyment of the media and nation. Think I know which one i'd rather have Millwall have been to as many Cup Finals in the last 15 years as Everton, getting to Cup Finals oh dear. So getting to a cup final isn't an achievment WTF?! For the record Milwall beat how many premier league clubs to get to the FA Cup Final? Compare it to our route there and maybe you'll see your comment is stupid! Is it fuck, we achieved nothing in 1998 and 1999, course it's not an achievement. Fair enough... we'll agree to disagree in that case

HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! One of the best English prospects in the league? Who the fuck have you been speaking too? Seriously mate he's ok with the potential to be a decent enough player... he will never be good enough to play international football and will never be good enough to command a place in a top 6 or 7 team. Dont get me wrong for a newly promoted club with little money to spend its a good signing, but I suggest the non-everton people you have been speaking to actually go and watch players properly before making such poor observations about them. I would say on current ability he's a 5/10. He has the potential to be a 6.5/10 player if he progresses to his maximum potential abilty. Are you a regular attender of Everton games Andy? I do think your assesment sounds honest but I'm interested to know how backed up it is. And I would say Gosling has regularly been talked up by football people as a great prospect (whether this is right or wrong I don't know but obviously I hope it's right). I get to a few games a year but watch pretty much every match on the internet or telly when I cant get there. A lot of players get talked up because they do one good thing without "those in the know" actually seeing the player when they are having a nightmare most games. I mean just look at the shower of shite that is Lee Dixon and Mark Bright to see that those in the know are quite often clueless morons. Gosling scored the winner for us against Liverpool in the FA CUP and as a result was catapulted to a certain degree in to the media's attention... therefore he gets seen to be this great prospect. If these people actually watched the player week in week out (well when he was getting a game) they'd have seen that his overall game is limited. I agree wholheartedly with what you're saying there but I would also fire back at you that I don't believe you can truely see the value of a player by seeing him play live on only a few occassions and watching the rest on tv/internet. I'm not saying the kid if class or anything because I truly don't know but I'd rather take the honest opinion of someone who's seen him play 'live' more regularly. Of course due the way he's left you, I think an honest opinion will be fairly difficult to come by. Yeah but I know many people and speak to many people who go to games every week (home and away) and their opinion is exactly the same as mine. Like I say he's ok but not amazing. A good signing for a newly promoted club and has potential to be a useful player but never amazing. Feel free to log on to one of the Everton forums and have a chat with Everton fans there if you want a proper insight rather than taking mine or some other guys (or the media's) word for it. As for the way he left us? Its not like the whole Rooney situation where the fans litteraly hated him beyond belief. Gosling is very insignificant to us and our future, the loss is the potential money not the player... I think most fans are quite uninterested in Gosling himself other that to think he's got a bit of a cheek, but the board are who we are VERY angry with for the situation. Fair enough, like I said, I do believe you're giving your honest opinion and I've had a look through some Everton forums and there doesn't seem to be many people particularly bothered about losing him. But when you have players like Cahill, Arteta, Fellaini, Peinar, Rodwell etc in front of him that quite possibly doesn't reflect that badly on the kid. Others have likened him to Leon Osman which maybe is the kind of player you're suggesting he could turn out like anyway which wouldn't be too bad for us at all. Just for the record this is a humble poster right here. Listened to what i said, wasn't sure if he believed me or not, did a bit of digging around and said "yeah fair enough maybe you're right". So I take back that the humble supporter has disappeared on here as there are still some around

And you wonder why a lot of the country think the Geordie faithful to be massively deluded? You think at the moment Newcastle are a higher profile club than Everton?!! WTF?!!!!! You say that we dont have the infrastructure to suceed in the modern game, but Newcastle do? How about you make these statements in 5 years time once/if Ashley has left and your team have not only managed to stay in the premier league but then built upon that and advanced to such a stage that you are regularly finishing above Everton. "If the club is run right" ... Fuck me when has it EVER been run correctly?!! If its "making bold statements day" i'll throw my 2 pence worth in and say that "IF" Everton were bought out by a man with a decent amount of money and could afford to build us a new stadium Newcastle would NEVER be able to hold a candle to Everton! Our "infrastructure" in terms of little debt and and excellent squad means that we are already light years ahead of you on the pitch! Put in our history and heritage and you can quite frankly feck off lol! No offence to the more grounded supporters on here, but this guy is on some seriously mind warping drugs if he actually believes what he wrote lol! Firstly of course we're a higher profile club than Everton. People are interested in us, we are more newsworthy, because we hold greater appeal, and it's not just due to our far bigger fanbase, we just hold more national appeal because for the right reasons and wrong reasons (and there are plenty of those) we are far more interesting club. Whether you dispute that is irrelevant, we are. You're there but no one really cares, the type of club who could win 10 champions leagues in a row, but the country and media would think so fuck boring cunts. I've spoken with Everton fans about this and it irks them, the fact that nationally you're seen as a dull club. That said Moyes has massively overachieved with the club, he's worked wonders with a club which has arguably the worst stadium in the country (with cheapest ticket prices) and what was a very mediocre turnover. What I meant about the infrastructure was the stadium, I appreciate you've built an adequate new training complex, but the actual fanbase you have as well as the stadium are arguably better suited to the Championship than the Premiership, but fair play to Moyes as I said, a club like you, with the turnover you have (and location), problems you have regarding a new stadium which could never happen, coming in the top half let alone the top six is an excellent achievement. Now compare that infrastructure with ours, one of the best training facilities in Europe, other than Manchester United arguably the biggest LOCAL fanbase in the country, one of the finest stadiums in Europe which is regularly full, history of sustaining top 3/4 finishes, history of being in the top 10 richest clubs in Europe, you can't even compare the infrastructure at Everton in modern day football. That said what Moyes has been trying to build at Everton could be compared to Clough at Derby, but with such a humble set up, he should be knighted. As for Newcastle never being able to hold a candle to Everton if you had a new stadium, you can't fill a tiny 39,000 capacity stadium now, 18,000 turn out in the UEFA Cup, you're an irrelevant club who have overachieved. The fanbase is a clubs core, I can't even remember you bringing more than 2,000 here in the last 10 years. You're a smaller Aston Villa imo. Your history and heritage yes, you've won 15 trophies to our 11, yet you're seen as a succesful club throughout the ages, and we're seen as underachievers. What does that tell you? No one notices you or cares, you're just there, Everton. Like I say its really up to you guys how you want to be viewed. Personally I'd take our slightly "dull" and quiet progression over the moyes era to the comical circus that has been Newcastle United over the years. I came on here to give some insight in to Gosling (which most of you want to ignore thinking somehow you know better because you caught "50 top prospects in England" in the Sun one week), and surprise surprise the more humble people that seemed to emerge when the toon went down have completely turned round or at least disappeared. It was interesting last year because the attitude had changed to such a more realistic view of your club, but now you've been promoted its back to the old times of believing you're a "massive club". Do you know anything about our training facilties btw? To call them "adequate" just shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Oh and we're a team more suited to the Championship?!!! You do realise we had the 8th highest home attendance in the Premier League last season? This in "arguably the worst stadium in the premier league". So yes Newcastle have an excellent stadium, and a great local fan base, but you're just a newly promoted club who have a serious amount of rebuilding to do, a clown in charge of the whole setup and really should learn to walk before you run. Try a little bit of realism and if you do you'll realise its not always good to have attention (especially when people are laughing at you), that despite your fiercly loyal support you are sometimes completely blinded by your loyalty, you are not anything other than a newly promoted club who must EARN the right to be in the premier league and then spend several years building on that and becoming a GOOD club... you are not there at this moment in time... like I say try to see things without your black and white tinted glasses on. I wish The Toon all the best for the new season I really do, I live here and have lots of Geordie mates, I even go to the odd game... But some of you, some of the time need to take a step back and look at things from the real world! Most of the humble posters have disappeared?? Have they? None of them have said anything offensive about Everton they're just stating facts. The only positive comparison they've had about us compared to Everton in this post apart from me, stating what most people think, is we're a far far higher profile club, and you rightly point out it's better to be comparative nobodies and progress on the pitch, and you're right because that's what it's all about. So explain where anyone has lacked humility on here, apart from you rushing over to tell people that Gosling's not very good and was never good enough for Everton. Every time I saw him he looked a player. Three years ago I would've said everything you've said there about James Milner, yet here we are and he's on the verge of a £30m move and is playing for England. As for try a little realism, and the humility thing, I haven't seen one person say we'd come higher than 14th next season, most of us would take 17th now, as long as we settle in and gradually build up again to let the club fulfill it's almost unlimited potential in the future. People laughing at us, nah we don't care, as Cantona once it's good to be talked about even when it's bad because it shows you exist. No one said we are a good club at this moment in time, we're nothing like the club we were or can be, where has anyone said we're a good club? Lastly who isn't living in the real world, just an emotional post of nonsense that mate, and even though people like me don't respect your club, get a grip and hold on to the belief that you are what you think you are. Are you being serious? Maybe you should go back and re-read what you wrote? Here's a few excerts just in case you missed them: You're there but no one really cares, the type of club who could win 10 champions leagues in a row, but the country and media would think so fuck boring cunts But the actual fanbase you have as well as the stadium are arguably better suited to the Championship than the Premiership That said what Moyes has been trying to build at Everton could be compared to Clough at Derby, but with such a humble set up, he should be knighted You're an irrelevant club who have overachieved You are either a deliberately or accidentaly patronising twat... either way you're a patronising twat. Also I didnt "rush over here" to tell Everyone Gosling ins't very good. I actually read this forum sometimes and decided that seeing as I would obviously know more about the player then most on here i'd offer a insight in to your new signing. I probs shouldn't have bothered as some on here are quite clearly the font of all football knowledge. You think you come across as humble? Really?

HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! One of the best English prospects in the league? Who the fuck have you been speaking too? Seriously mate he's ok with the potential to be a decent enough player... he will never be good enough to play international football and will never be good enough to command a place in a top 6 or 7 team. Dont get me wrong for a newly promoted club with little money to spend its a good signing, but I suggest the non-everton people you have been speaking to actually go and watch players properly before making such poor observations about them. I would say on current ability he's a 5/10. He has the potential to be a 6.5/10 player if he progresses to his maximum potential abilty. Are you a regular attender of Everton games Andy? I do think your assesment sounds honest but I'm interested to know how backed up it is. And I would say Gosling has regularly been talked up by football people as a great prospect (whether this is right or wrong I don't know but obviously I hope it's right). I get to a few games a year but watch pretty much every match on the internet or telly when I cant get there. A lot of players get talked up because they do one good thing without "those in the know" actually seeing the player when they are having a nightmare most games. I mean just look at the shower of shite that is Lee Dixon and Mark Bright to see that those in the know are quite often clueless morons. Gosling scored the winner for us against Liverpool in the FA CUP and as a result was catapulted to a certain degree in to the media's attention... therefore he gets seen to be this great prospect. If these people actually watched the player week in week out (well when he was getting a game) they'd have seen that his overall game is limited. I agree wholheartedly with what you're saying there but I would also fire back at you that I don't believe you can truely see the value of a player by seeing him play live on only a few occassions and watching the rest on tv/internet. I'm not saying the kid if class or anything because I truly don't know but I'd rather take the honest opinion of someone who's seen him play 'live' more regularly. Of course due the way he's left you, I think an honest opinion will be fairly difficult to come by. Yeah but I know many people and speak to many people who go to games every week (home and away) and their opinion is exactly the same as mine. Like I say he's ok but not amazing. A good signing for a newly promoted club and has potential to be a useful player but never amazing. Feel free to log on to one of the Everton forums and have a chat with Everton fans there if you want a proper insight rather than taking mine or some other guys (or the media's) word for it. As for the way he left us? Its not like the whole Rooney situation where the fans litteraly hated him beyond belief. Gosling is very insignificant to us and our future, the loss is the potential money not the player... I think most fans are quite uninterested in Gosling himself other that to think he's got a bit of a cheek, but the board are who we are VERY angry with for the situation. Fair enough, like I said, I do believe you're giving your honest opinion and I've had a look through some Everton forums and there doesn't seem to be many people particularly bothered about losing him. But when you have players like Cahill, Arteta, Fellaini, Peinar, Rodwell etc in front of him that quite possibly doesn't reflect that badly on the kid. Others have likened him to Leon Osman which maybe is the kind of player you're suggesting he could turn out like anyway which wouldn't be too bad for us at all. Yeah Osman took a long time to come through the ranks, and because he was allowed to play regularly once he did (due to us being shit and towards the bottom of the league) he improved on his weaknessess and became a good player. What you've said above is kind of what I was trying to get across.... decent potential and a good signing for you guys. Will never be a world beater but neither is Osman, could get you a few important goals and its a no risk signing really as he's cost nothing.