Rayvin

Good post but I still feel like the US as to be the one winner in the whole situation or we end up in very dangerous territory.

I'll agree with this but is that what that particular protest was about? I honestly can't remember but the optics of it were horrific and I'm really struggling to imagine that any 'decent' people would have associated themselves with it as soon as it became clear what it was looking like. There does need to be a measured debate around culture and the legacies of key figures and I can understand both sides to the extent that if your ancestors were enslaved by people who now have statues set up of them in key public areas, you'll probably find that oppressive in the extreme. And offensive. But on the other hand, if you've been brought up being told how great all these people were and how many hospitals they built, you're not going to easily be able to go straight to the nuanced position. The only caveat on that latter point is that obviously some of us do go straight to that nuanced position. So why am I able to re-evaluate these statues and others are not - what distinguishes me from them in this sense? One or the other of us lacks something.

I agree with everyone on this Starmer is making political capital out of this without question, I'd heard nothing about STW in any sense recently and I'm in circles in which it would be heard of. IMO PL is right there. That said, there is as I understand it, no agreement from NATO not to include former USSR states. I thought there was for a while, so I could see the Russian angle on this, but apparently there isn't. As such, it's hard not to argue that if Ukraine wants to join because it feels threatened by Russia, it should be able to. Putin is a gangster and a major threat to Western society. We've already let him get away with too much in terms of destabilising our own countries and democracies, and if we don't make a stand here it's going to IMO open the door to a free for all elsewhere. If Russia takes the Ukraine then China will recognise that the US is too weak to defend Taiwan, and that's gone too. We suddenly have regional superpowers rather than a global enforcer. As a globalist, I'd prefer to see the US get involved here for the sake of maintaining the status quo as we move closer to stronger international ties with each other. Ukraine is a sovereign country and it is reasonable to aid them if Russia attacks.

I mean I'll agree on some of that. Obama had children in cages too, the outrage about that was annoying. But then Trump did make his entire election campaign about building walls and stopping immigration, so he made the rod for his own back in terms of the hysteria about it. Trump was elected off the back of a series of very fascist sounding statements it has to be said. "Lock her up" was one of them. The nazi comparisons were again, self inflicted to an extent. Not saying the media didn't gleefully dive headlong into it, but still. The very fine people on both sides line idk. Were there any non-KKK even there? This was a rally screaming about Jews and holding flaming torches wasn't it..? What type of "fine person" would attend such a thing? I will concede that I do think he said that without thinking about it. Unsure on the Mexican rapist point, don't recall that being discussed in a big way on here. What do you think about him inciting people to storm the capital? I cannot believe any right thinking republican could support such a thing. If BLM did it people would be calling out for mass firing squads.

I think it's largely down to what you reference in your final line - people wanted to see the back of Trump. I honestly think a decent number of the people who voted Biden would have voted for literally anyone other than Trump. Trump of course got a lot of votes too. I didn't look at the demographics this time, I probably should - but the problem certainly doesn't seem like to go away. I still don't think the Republicans will let Trump run again though.

He got the global corp. tax thing through, I approved of that at least. I thought he'd do literally nothing, but he did come out and make some decent attempts at getting things going. Seems to have lost some steam now though.

Biden is better than I thought he would be but this Russia stuff is a real test, possibly defining for his presidency. It's positive that the US is back on the world stage properly (words I never thought I'd write) but he has to make it convincing. I dunno where they go from there, certainly he won't be a two term president; Harris could win if they make it about her policies rather than her identity groups; can't see Trump winning the Republican ticket next time out, surely they'll close ranks on that.

Not going to pretend to be anywhere near the level of football expert as some on here but I thought ASM put in several decent balls against Everton that could have been converted if other players had been in slightly better positions. He quite easily could have had a hat trick of assists that game.

But equally, imagine our team of superstars versus their League One side in years to come, in some kind of cup game. That could be fantastic too, just watching them tie themselves into knots in advance of it, the fear setting in, etc. They'd be talking up how classy they were as some kind of insulation about the utter devastation that would be about to befall them, remembering that "it's still 6 in a row in the league though marra". Then we rock up, play the youth side and win 5 or 6-0. As a result the fans call for the manager's head, hire Jermain Defoe, now in his 50s, for a third time - he plays 60 seconds per game for the rest of the season and they have to re-mortgage the stadium to afford him. He does score though as the ball ricochets off his zimmer frame to achieve a consolation goal in a 7-1 home defeat to Burton Albion, a team that now has twice the attendance that they do. They can get promoted after that

As far as I can tell, the fans hated him because he'd gone past the 6 month threshold between 'undying, unconditional support and love' to 'wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire'; they lost that game against Bolton 6-0, and their ownership structure decided to follow the wisdom of the fans and get rid. Which is also why I think they approached Keane. At this point I think you could legitimately state that the fans are indirectly running the club, which explains pretty much everything about why they are where they are.

What the fuck is a ponshon Does he mean penchant?

I'd forgotten this, the irrational hatred of Dutch people Can't even remember why that started, was it something to do with Krul?

Where would we value him as a midfield enforcer or whatever his current role is? Let's say that his value as a striker is more in the £5-£10 range. £20m?

What actually is the problem over there now? Are they struggling to spend money because of the FFP restrictions or does their new owner simply not care very much? Looks like the playoffs again this season.

I think if this picture turns out to come true, we'll be home free as far as relegation is concerned.

Was just having a scan through one of the Everton forums and came across this amazing post when our second went in Presumably some manner of swear filter on there... [Poor language removed] [Poor language removed] TEAM [Poor language removed] [Poor language removed] MANAGER EVERTON ARE [Poor language removed] [Poor language removed] CRAP [Poor language removed] THEM WE’RE GOING DOWN

I spend most of my life mulling over that particular topic tbf

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/feb/08/newcastle-everton-premier-league-match-report Louise Taylor is fucking livid A match report on how Everton lost rather than how we won, calling out the fans for targeting Pickford, and ASM the only worthwhile mention from our side.

Trippier is such an utterly ridiculous step up on anything I've seen from a Newcastle defensive line up in the past 10 years that I can't quite believe we've got him. He's going to be fucking central to where we go as a club in the next few years. ASM also superb, so many good balls in, so many chances created out of very little. Just... idk man, a Newcastle team with some genuine joy and optimism around it, it's almost too much to take after all these years of dross.

I'm curious tbh, what was the J69 flounce?

38k of them apparently turned up. Opened the concourse for it, an extra 10k turning up versus usual - all to see Jermain Defoe. The returning hero. Substituted on with 15 mins to go, touched the ball once. Totally worth it.

Must have stumbled into one of the threads Clarko went to work in.

What I don't get about him though, is that he was anti-Ashley, right? Like, that was his whole thing? I'm struggling to imagine he had a hard time getting people to agree with him.

That's interesting to read through tbh - I honestly think in the end that most good people can police themselves in a socially acceptable way 99% of the time without rules and moderation. When they fall over, you have a discussion with them to bring them back around. It does leave things open to abuse a bit from some of the trolls out there, but it's not really been that disruptive to the place over the years from what I've seen. Tbh I sometimes regret that I missed the Leazes era, it sounds hysterical in some ways that a single poster was able to wind up this much of the forum for such a period of time.

Wasn't a private school ffs. St Cuthberts?