Rayvin

No mate, for fucks sake. I'm not actually talking about Israel whatsoever here other than as the context upon which to talk about the US. I am saying that there are two options out of this. One is a ceasefire. The other is the total annihilation of Hamas. Further to that, I am saying that at this point, with 10k dead, Biden better fucking believe that the only way out of this is the annihilation of Hamas, because if he turns around later at 20 or 30k dead and calls for a ceasefire, all I'm going to think is that for BIDEN PERSONALLY the key consideration in whether or not a ceasefire was the right course of action was how many innocent lives had been lost. None of this has anything to do with Israel's view, which I strongly suspect is that the total annihilation of Hamas is achievable. Israel are not going to suddenly come up with a ceasefire as a policy suggestion on this though, so they will remain consistent to their view.

Can you just try reading the fucking post. I'm not talking about Starmer anyway, I've wrote him off altogether previously.

Not in Israel, no.

That is the only logical view if he at some point decides to back a ceasefire. That the only thing stopping him from doing it now is that not enough innocents have been killed to satisfy Israel. He gets some respect from me if he sticks to his guns and pushes Israel to decimate all of Gaza in an attempt to destroy Hamas because at least that will mean it is genuinely the only option he thinks there is. If at some point he flips around and says we need a ceasefire cos 20k, 30k, 50k are dead, then no, he's getting nothing from me for that. All that tells me is that he knew ceasefire is what this would come to, and he was waiting for the death toll to hit a predefined number/global outrage to become unsustainable. Instead of, y'know, doing the thing he knew he should have done from the word go. So right now I'm really hoping Israel are successfully going to permanently eradicate Hamas for the rest of time, because that's the hill Biden has chosen to die on.

I believe that the Americans will eventually call for a ceasefire but only once the numbers of dead become truly incredible. Which will mean they've priced in an acceptable body count for Israel and are essentially enabling a revenge fantasy. If Israel somehow successfully "wins" here then I will admit I was wrong in this judgement, but if they're forced into an eventual climbdown due to the numbers of dead then there will be no redeeming Biden in my eyes because he will have known that this outcome was inevitable from day 1, and chose to let tens of thousands of people die first. I don't include Starmer in this because he is a total irrelevance who barely exists even in the British political landscape, let alone the international one.

I think it comes from this vain hope people have that there are politicians brave enough to do what is right rather than reducing everything to a calculation based on "real politik". Dreamers tbh. The West has no spine, we need to stop hoping that one might reveal itself.

I kind of get that the Tories do whatever it takes to retain power as a default but what is even the point of this beyond that anymore? They have no vision, no plans, they're just stumbling around reacting to things until they eventually get removed. Even trying to look at them through a Tory friendly lens, I don't understand why they wouldn't just want to get this over with and start a rebuild of whatever it is they think their party stands for. Why go through the death throes, just end it ffs.

Yeah so from what I can tell on this, a woman made an anti-trans tweet and was interviewed by Northumbria Police. Someone somewhere flagged this to the club who suspended her season ticket in line with their policy as ewerk mentions. And now apparently people are raging at NUFC for taking a pro-trans stance (they haven't) and for attacking freedom of speech (they didn't). That's my read on it. Pissed off the right people for the wrong reasons.

Watch this key detail get lost in the maelstrom of outrage.

Agreed, we're missing Gordon's influence on the wing. Do we have anyone else who can play up top though?

This is absolutely cringe inducing at this point.

Because those countries can't sustain that influx of people, and moreover it isn't their responsibility to do so. As for Hamas, they are a terrorist organisation that relies on continued strife to function. If there is no continued strife, they don't have a lot going for them.

Just to be really clear G&T, as an ardent left winger, I do not consider myself to be "abandoning my Jewish friends". I think advocating for an end to Israeli oppression of Palestine is the only way any of the people on either side of this can ever become safe and live without the spectre of death hanging over them. I may be 'wrong' in my interpretation of that but it is 100% motivated by the desire for to protect the lives and humanity of both sides. It's not an either/or, it's "both".

What is the penalty if we breach FFP btw?

PIF should buy a stake in various firms that sponsor other premier league clubs and force them all to go through the same shit they're asking us to do. This all feels fanciful from the PL to be honest because so far we've been entirely clean about this as far as I can tell, and in the end if we really wanted to start screwing them, we would find a way.

Even I'm struggling to have sympathy with him. At some point in that continuous cycle of decline and poor judgment he should have stood up and done something to stop it. It's all well and good saying he's see everything correctly now, and I hope he is, but he took a long fucking time to do it. His journey in life may be much better from here, but he destroyed himself despite the efforts of a great many people around him. At least he seems to acknowledge that on some level. Hope he's a better father than he was a professional.

I see this thread has gone in a very traditional TT direction.

I thought we played well, did what we could, but between injuries to key players and Dortmund just being a very good team, we couldn't find a way through. The commentators kept going on about how we needed to win this game etc but I was just sat there proud of the team and enjoying it. First time back in 20 years, who gives a shit really if we qualify or not. Still fancy us to beat Milan anyway so should get 3rd at least. Tino MOTM on our side, looks a really good player.

Never a booking on Hall. Honestly think we've been decent overall though except for the goal which was a bit of a mess. I can see us scoring tbh.

If we were full strength I'd fancy us to be making a serious run at being 'best of the rest' this season tbh.

Specs?

Well that's been a pretty fantastic weekend of results for us!

Superb player. I feel like he would walk straight into most back lines in the top ten tbh. Are there any better ball playing CBs in the league? Not for my money.

Totally agree, and I ended up thinking this yesterday myself. He's the best manager we've had in the PL era and that is no disrespect to the monumental achievements of Robson and Keegan, but simply speaks volumes as to how incredibly good Howe is. I hope he's here for the next decade or more frankly.

They didn't even lose 3 points man, they lost 1. Is this really that big a deal? They may not like it but the logic behind the decisions is clear as day. They have to find a clear reason to chalk it off, they couldn't, it's done. I would assume at some point in history Arsenal sat down and approved that particular rule/failed to raise an objection when all this was coming out, so they have absolutely no leg to stand on. The Liverpool one was totally different because that was a bit of a fuck up based on human error in process, but this is VAR doing what it's meant to do by the book.