Rayvin

I know PR won't deliver a left wing utopia, I support it because it means I can vote on principle without having to worry about enabling the right. It's also just fairer. Also I really didn't come at this point with a view to the wider left/right/centre debate. It was more about political tribalism - the centrist contingent of British politics has, to my eyes, behaved much the same as the Corbyn supporting left did. That article mentions people in a cult signalling themselves by condemning anyone who views things in a different way to them and so on - that is honestly how I have often been met (not necessarily on here, the guardian comment section has a lot to answer for too) when I have criticised Starmer or current Labour. So my point is that we are all now in our bubbles of self reinforcing truths and it seems a bit odd to criticise the Biden contingent uniquely for it. I'm not pro Biden either.

Devout republican. So does she mean God wouldn't want her to talk to Biden or she felt Biden wouldn't want to talk to her? She seems like a decent person from the rest of it, albeit misguided. I don't think this is on Biden at all tbh, shooter seems to be right wing.

Not sure this is really a response to my point but as usual I'll just leave it.

That account is disgusting and I do not believe it to be a parody. It's followed by the sort of Internet edgelord trash that used to claim it was being ironic in its racism, but now is just outright.

People forget that when Corbyn took over Labour the centre desperately tried to tear him down. There was no united front, there were leadership challenges and gritted teeth. No different in my eyes to what we now see from the left concerning Starmer, though the left have been purged whereas the centre under Corbyn wasn't. What I'm trying to say with this is that people such as myself weren't devoted to Corbyn particularly for who he was, but because we genuinely do believe that significant and meaningful change is needed to actually avert a slow and miserable decline into the shit. Starmer may be more able to 'win' but he doesn't deliver what some of us believe is required. Same with Biden. So sometimes I look at all the Starmer devotees as people who are essentially survivors from an abusive relationship. They are so fearful of being forced back with their abuser that they cling to the safest option. Biden is the safe option for the US. The devil you know. His supporters just want to win, they don't care what they have to support to do so. It's more important to keep Trump out than to have the right person in - and that more than anything is the theme of the centre and the left right across the western world.

Just to paint an opposing view here - Biden is a centrist who most ardent left wingers have criticised since the start for not being radical enough. He's an American Starmer. So while I respect the point about Corbyn, I actually see a lot of the pro-Starmer devotion in what is being said in this article.

Aye but question is from which side. We really need it to be a right wing gun nut style actor.

Whether it's the right choice or not, Labour have only done it because of culture war bullshit. Hence bringing JK back into the fold. The woman is absolutely transphobic. I don't know why trans people are always at the centre of so much political bullshit but I really feel bad for them. Several such people I know aren't politically motivated whatsoever, they just want to be left alone to work themselves out and find happiness. JK, the culture warriors, the boomers, they can all fuck off on this one, IMO.

What an absolute clusterfuck this is going to be.

Think my problem with this side is I just somehow don't like them enough to care about much of this. They're very professional, gifted, inoffensive etc but somehow I just do not connect with them. I think I largely want them to win the thing just to see if it stirs any actual feeling in me. It's miles off how I feel with Newcastle. Some people seem to care about it though so maybe it's just me.

Sorry to hear this mate. I echo what the others have said but beyond that sincerely hope you manage to settle things down over the next few days. You're much loved man. You'll make it to the other side.

It absolutely is a genocide, and I'm fairly sure that Russia would consider it one too. The goal was to eradicate the Ukrainian culture and identity in full. I do worry for the world if Trump wins, Biden better not fuck this up.

You'd have done the same for me mate, always loved ya

Aye, fuck the Tories. Long may they stay buried.

I hit this a couple of years back, just gave up on all of it - it's actually quite the release.

As I said, I just wish this country could be honest with itself about anything. Anyway, I find that I'm not that invested in any of this so I'm off to bed. Here's to the next 5 years..!

Bridget giving a speech declaring that people have voted for hope and Labour's vision of the future wherein the country's best days are ahead of it Have they fuck. Labour winning by default because everyone wantes to give the Tories a shoeing, more like. I wish politicians could just tell things like they are, futile as that wish is.

Voted on my end. Didn't spoil the ballot and went for the party I felt was most likely to beat the Tory. Suspect its futile but oh well.

Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale for me. Tory seat. Imagine it'll remain one.

The flatness was actually really surprising. I had heard it was but actually going and seeing it was weird. So yeah not the most scenic but at least I'll not wake up every morning wanting to burn the country down.

Denmark, shifting over with my partner one way or another. Was just over there for 2 months. Country is clean, modern public transport, strong welfare support. Warm, welcoming and outward looking.

Thank fuck I'm emigrating from this shitshow next year...

Utter bollocks as I said repeatedly at the time. 79% of Labour voters were remain. Higher than any other party besides the Greens. And on Wes Streeting. Last time I mentioned this you told me he was playing to the Sun reading crowd with that. Now you think he's right. I don't need a response to this, I know you're going to say whatever suits supporting Starmer so it really is a pointless conversation.

He has not actually carefully balanced himself across this though, he is clearly on one side of it. You can hope that it's all a lie/illusion/whatever but honestly, I think Labour has decided they're running with it and it's dead.

It'll be in reference to this: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/12/wes-streeting-defends-labour-plan-private-sector-cut-nhs-backlog Wes Streeting has said he'll use private sector for NHS revival and that middle class lefties are the enemy.