Rayvin

If Iran doesn't give a shit about its own people, why did it agree to a ceasefire? Why did it commit to the minimum possible retaliation on the US in a bid to avoid escalating things? Why has it taken steps to de-escalate the issue at every turn? Why hasn't it created nukes so far at all, it's had plenty of time to do so? I think you're blinded by your fears and prejudices about religion on this. You're conflating Iran with Hamas and they are two very different entities. Hamas is a trapped animal prepared to destroy everything around it if it can just take down the thing that has it cornered. Iran is not in the same position at all. And incidentally, we have plenty of Israelis, politicians included, calling for outright genocide in Gaza now. https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/database-exposes-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-in-gaza-16537146 I don't understand why they have your trust based on your red lines for Iran.

Do we still have Mitchell negotiating these deals ffs?

Are you ok?

https://news.sky.com/story/reform-would-win-most-seats-in-general-election-in-depth-poll-suggests-13388577 Reform to win most seats but not enough to form majority. The majority of voters prefer to vote away from the two main parties for the first time.

'Getting slammed by the public' As if the public have a fucking clue about whether the nuclear facilities are toast or not. Also it was the fucking Pentagon that came out and said this ffs.

I wonder if we tried it in the hope PSR might force their hand.

Or we'll sign 6 players in the week it's down, stifling all of our ability to be excited about it

US intel suggests all 3 nuclear sites are largely intact, and that any delay posed to Iran's development in this field is measured in months rather than years. Well worth it, I'm sure.

Trump has just called out Israel and accused both sides of 'not knowing what the fuck they want' Dare I say it, he does seem to be trying for peace here. I can see why it's not in Israel's interests, but clearly it is in US and Iranian interests.

When you join, you need to be assigned a role before everything is visible. It's an anti-quiff mechanism

Possibly so. Also sort of makes Trump look good I guess. Maybe it really is that simple.

It's a weird one though given that they're unlikely to have done any real damage to Iran's nuclear program, and that Israel was calling for regime change and Khamenei's death. What was the point in any of it?

Aye but on this occasion he might actually be about to end this without further drama, so I'm all for it.

You see what you want to see, I'm not here to persuade you. I'm just explaining why they did it. As for the Tesla thing, both were political acts of criminal damage. I could see the UK calling this sabotage, but not terrorism. Terrorism is a fucking stupid thing to call it - but it does give the government the largest number of options to silence people.

I'm struggling to handle all the back and forth on this Genuinely will be relieved when July 1st hits.

I'm aware of the Israeli casualties, I resent the entire situation for civilians on both sides - consequently I watch the damage on both sides. I just mean Israel have announced they've knocked out all 99% of all long range missiles within the last day or so, meaning they should be approaching some semblance of safety. More importantly Trump has decided to overlook Iran's counterattack and is walking towards peace - so it seems DJT is the great peacemaker of our time, a shining beacon of Western civilisation's values as he disarms a rogue state of religious fanatics with aspirations of genocide of their nuclear weapons, seemingly calming their fanaticism at the same time. By the metric we're judging this situation on, it's a huge win for him.

We're flying surveillance to support Israeli bombardment - hence hitting the RAF. No one voted for it, but we're doing it. https://www.declassifieduk.org/britain-sent-over-500-spy-flights-to-gaza/ I mean I don't actually agree with it either for what it's worth but if this is terrorism then so is destroying Tesla - seems Starmer agrees with Trump.

I really hope your family are going to be ok man - for what it's worth I don't think there's really any chance of serious casualties on the Israeli side, I was reading that the Iranian long range capabilities have been largely knocked out now - besides which they don't seem to be going for civilian targets. Hopefully everyone backs down since it looks like America achieved what they wanted. It's more the West I'm concerned about at this point, we've shown time and time again how untrustworthy and cynical we are - many lives in Trump's hands.

Iran is indicating that it has returned fire with an equal number of missiles to the US attack they suffered, and that they chose targets out of the way of civilian areas, and indeed warned the bases of the strikes. Nice to see at least one of these nations acting with some restraint. Shame there aren't more adults in the room though - Trump will hit them either way.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/23/yvette-cooper-vows-ban-palestine-action-anti-terrorism-laws Palestine Action going to be a terrorist organisation now

Tehran looks fairly developed to me tbh. I don't get the sense that Iran is a fundamentalist state at the citizen level. I mean I saw the pictures of it in the 50s before we fucked them over too, it looked fairly well developed. It should be the leading light of the whole region, it only isn't because of us. Netanyahu is in his 6th term as Prime Minister, so what does that say about Israel's electorate? Do we want to be allied with people who consistently vote for a war criminal? I just can't pretend this is all ok man, I just can't. I wouldn't be able to stay in Washington now anyway because of posts like this. They'd deport me.

They're also led by someone with an active arrest warrant out from the ICC for crimes against humanity. Iran aren't.

Is there any scenario where we get to July 1st and the club suddenly brings 2 or 3 signings over the line that have been set up quietly while waiting for the PSR deadline to pass, or do we think we'd have inevitably heard something before now.

Other than when they had the audacity to try and break free from colonial era oil terms, I don't know what Iran have ever done to the UK. I'm fairly sure it's absolutely fuck all. The older I get, the more convinced I become that we're the true terror state in all this. Us and the Americans.

"Naive" again. Man I hear that a lot on here, always makes me smile a bit given how things tend to go. Alright man, I surrender to your superior knowledge of the inner workings of the Iranian state and its motivations.