Rayvin

There are no words. There are just no fucking words. Get the US out of our politics, this is a fucking clown show. Drop the dollar, work on our own continent and our own problems. Ban twitter. Some of the most shameful stuff I've ever seen.

Where are these Reform voters coming from? Is it the red wall? I'm going to be fucking pissed if it is, since Labour supposedly abandoned all of their principles to seduce the fuckers. It doesn't look like it's coming from the Tories.

Yeah not gonna be too upset about that, 2-0 is nothing compared to the batterings we've had there over the years.

Is Botman injured again ffs? What is going on with him, do we keep rushing him back or something? So tired of losing to Liverpool, it always feels completely inevitable.

Agreed, big moment. At least we don't have the Tories in power for it.

Agree with Rents but I think the reality is that we have to surrender the initiative due to the US dropping the ball. Europe needs to consolidate and stabilise, and back itself to emerge stronger on the other side of that. We need to transition from a benign power to an active one. And who knows, maybe China will achieve more in the developing world than we did.

It is also what Trump wanted though. I don't quite know how I feel about all this - departing the US umbrella of security and the transatlantic alliance feels like a good thing but Trump is getting everything he seems to want here.

Agree completely, this is what the EU needed and what the AFD's failure permits. It's a good outcome, even if we have to run with the German Tories to get there. At least their conservatives still stand for some of the more reliable tenets of conservatism like national defense.

There is no chance Howe does this though, he wants to win every game. IMO we go in all guns blazing and if we get hammered then we use it as motivation for next time. If we hold our own, we use it as confidence for next time. No other alternatives.

At least we have time to fight against it now though, and German leadership on the EU stage is guaranteed. I'm taking it as a win honestly. Yes, there's blood in the water but there was anyway. Europe lives to fight another day, and at least now it's on red alert. France is the next big fight - I did not imagine I'd be appreciating Macron at this point in time, but I guess that's what war does. Changes everything.

It is extortion, and there is no defending it. Not only do we need to move away from the US strategically, we also need to shift from their systems and infrastructure. This is going to be a painful few years for Europe as we all come to terms with this, but honestly on the other side of it things might be quite positive with more reliance on homegrown considerations. I mean it's a long shot if we even get there without first tearing ourselves apart from within, but assuming we can stave that off, we might be in a much better position.

At least AfD didn't win. Immigration remains the spectre across all of Europe and as said by many of us a few times now, is an argument we've lost. The problem is though, Labour are actually doing more about it than the Tories were. Biden had higher numbers than Trump... I wonder if that's a pattern in general. That the "left" does far more on this than people give them credit for. If it is, then the single threatening issue is social media. It's not 'informing people', it's radicalising them based on lies. Which again, we all know. No one here isn't aware of that. But what the fuck are we meant to do about it - we can't ban social media as the free speech police will be out in force... so the only option at all, is to start being better at it than the right are. I see no other way personally. I think huge resources should be poured into this tbh.

There will come a moment when he crosses a line that turns even his supporters against him - the question is going to be, how far gone the whole thing is before that happens. Blood in the streets is likely the moment IMO.

Who says I want to win you over though? I'm not here to save you. It's not my job to rescue your hapless soul. I'm just here to commentate on it as your lot burn the world to the ground. The actual left wing haven't been in power in my lifetime, it's just centrists and your guys. Maybe if we actually did have the true left, we'd be doing a lot better for everyone.

Keeping in mind also that during this current war, they'd been raping our women, stealing and re-educating our children, and trying to purge our entire culture while blaming us for it.

If Russia had a history of genocide in the UK, and imperialist ambition, and had invaded us and annexed 20% of our land - would you be advocating for surrendering to them?

Brexit had a tiny mandate though.. arguably no mandate at all when you consider that the specifics weren't in the referendum for anyone to vote on. Where is the 'big mandate' coming from?

Also a bit confused about your general view on this place tbh.. do you think we don't criticise Labour? I think I've gone for Starmer almost as much as the Tories, and specifically over principle. When is he gonna admit that Brexit is the main cause of our economic decline, is the big problem for me. We're on the left of the spectrum so we actually do deal in facts, evidence and data. Not fever dreams like the right.

The movement to do this was passed under Sunak, Labour are simply following along with what was set up. I don't agree with it, but then apparently people in this country want protections for children and identification of terrorist threats more than they want privacy. Apple's issue with it isn't the UK government having access, it's that creating such access allows vulnerabilities that could be exploited by other governments. The US itself has also tried and failed to have a backdoor put in. What I will say in support of our government here, is that if we are prepared to have big tech firms pull their products from the market over policy decisions, even ones created by the previous government, then it's a healthy sign that politicians feel that the corporates are not or shouldn't be untouchable.

Agree with it, but ultimately the destruction of truth has been the main weapon Russia has used since 2014. Now the waters of our discourse are so muddy that no one can think straight - there's simply so much bullshit to fight against now.

One of his better ones.

Somehow I think I've started to hate Vance more than either of the other two. The audacity of this gnomish scrote to come over here and think anyone gives the slightest fuck what he thinks about anything.

There is a part of me that wonders if this is all supreme mindgames from Trump to get Europe to honour it's NATO commitments.

If it did happen, it'd be interesting if the following US administration stuck to it.