Rayvin

They had a full inquiry in the early 2020s though mate. We can see the thing, we can read it. Labour have committed to carry out its recommendations and have deemed it a waste of public money to carry out another inquiry for the hell of it. The Tories failed, for some reason, to commit to any of the recommendations. Labour came in and immediately said they would. All this noise is a complete nonsense by right wing grifters trying to drag up the whole issue because Elon Musk is completely ignorant of all this and created a shit storm about it again. This first came out in 2012 for fuck sake. We know about it. Nothing was exposed by youtubers, nothing was covered up, all that has happened here is people who weren't paying attention a decade ago have been whipped into an outrage by manipulators.

Sorry but, what is it that you think Labour should be doing that they're not doing on the grooming gangs?

Agreed, it is encouraging. Thanks for calling it out.

The obvious Russian asset is calling for Russia to be readmitted to G7.

Has started peace negotiations with Putin without talking to Ukraine or Europe. Federalise the EU. Now. The US are simply not our allies anymore, we can't afford to be divided and weak.

Did you watch the clip? It's 30 mins of uninterrupted Musk waffle, it's hardly been 'spun' by anyone, no one from CNN is even talking. It's actually exactly like what you've suggested it should be. And no one on here believes their news sources are unbiased mate. The newspaper I read most of the time is the Guardian and it's also the newspaper I fact check the most often. The issue isn't about what he's saying anyway, it's his total lack of accountability to anyone, the lack of transparency, and the bypassing of legal requirements. Congress should be signing off on everything they're doing but aren't being given the opportunity. We just have to 'trust' them.

Just to be clear, that's actually X-AE-12 or whatever he named it. He calls it X for short in the clip somewhere. People have just taken to calling it Kevlar as a consequence of his security purposes for it

Somewhere in the long, waffling, nonsense of a speech - Musk mentions that unelected bureaucrats are getting in the way of democracy. Which is why he's here. To remove the unelected officials. No hint of irony. Someone asks him about transparency and he basically says that he's under so much scrutiny it's like getting a daily anal exam, which I think we're supposed to understand means 'I am completely transparent' even though it actually means 'people are worried that I'm not completely transparent'

Why is Elon Musk in the Oval Office for a Trump interview? Why has be brought his son Kevlar to the proceedings? Why is everyone else in the room acting like it's normal for an unelected billionaire to be tag-teaming with the president like this?

I agree - and I want to say here that my opposition to centrism in recent years isn't a philosophical one. I'm not a communist. It's been entirely based around the fact that all it has been doing in my adult memory is slowing down the car crash at a time when we needed to divert course. We should, at the end of all this, actually get back to centrism for just the reason you state - long periods of uninterrupted peace and prosperity. Possibly with better safeguards next time though.

I argued the same thing as Gemmill last time Trump was in power - letting an incompetent imbecile run the country, giving the far right their crack at power, might be what is needed for the illusion to be exposed. But yet here we are, 4 years on, back with the same guy but this time worse. The only thing that could have stopped this is actual change - the only thing we can unify people around is attacking the rich. The right to far right support that notion too, it's the last game in town. I personally view this as a total defeat of Centrism, almost the world over. The status quo is now too shit to maintain, it needs radical overhaul. Wealth needs to be redistributed, society needs to be scaled back from excess. Nothing else is going to cut it now. Trump by the way I think does understand this, but he's identified a separate way to go rather than redistributing wealth - he's going to steal the wealth of other nations and run off the back of that.

So Trump is purging the civil service, replacing generals with his own guys, and acting increasingly belligerently on the world stage. I mean that's literally what Putin did. So the US becomes a new Russia. Where exactly are the democrats in all this btw? I mean it does look like a coup - I agree with the received wisdom on that. I'm just struggling with where the organised opposition to it is. So where are they? It's like the democrats have completely collapsed under this, the fucking worthless, useless, arrogant fucks. All those dynasty families that were supposedly on "our side" probably figure that it's not going to get that bad for them at least. Somehow it almost feels like Trump getting that relatively benign first time sucked the fight out of the American people, and now they're stood there handwringing while he attempts to turn their country into the very thing it was created to oppose.

The only ones of that category still driving Teslas will be people who pay literally no attention to the news.

My mind went to RAWK but I'm guessing you mean RTG. Fair point.

Other forums can't possibly be that petty man, come on

Am I missing something untoward about that pic, why would we ban for it?

I sort of feel like people are more likely to end up at Newcastle Online. Especially given @trainman experience of attempting to sign up here, sounds almost impossible Just how we like it...

We are very reluctant to ban. We usually rely on the community to just hound people out if things get extreme It does happen rarely but honestly there'd always be a few civilised conversations beforehand. It's a small community of generally likeminded people, and the mod team sort of just keeps a lid on it rather than attempts to set direction.

Yeah but we can go at it without pressure because our best friends at Sky will ensure we're a complete afterthought in the entire build up.

We can beat Liverpool. Just need to go at them without fear. Only slight concern is that we might give them a reminder of our intensity at Anfield beforehand. Think I'd rather those two games were the other way around.

How long have they been lower league trash now? A decade?

I'd forgotten they existed.

Why has he left Chelsea off that list mind Not saying I think he'd go to either, but I'm not exactly sure why Arsenal are a better choice than Chelsea if he wants some soulless London club.

I still feel new and I've been here fewer years than all 3. 12 years on this forum now...

The rest of you old men had gone to sleep tbf