Renton

I know Daniel Craig must give you some hope, but we're still a long way from fat-ginger Bond tbh. Maybe you could play a rogue (rouge?) robot? 108684[/snapback] You could play a villain whose only weakness is the fact that his eyes are gay! This gives rise to the added complication of you not knowing whether to kill Bond or bum him. "Noooooo, Mr. Bond, I expect you to strip tbs tbs." 108688[/snapback] Gemmill's latent homness coming out again I see.

Hmmm, I was reading an article in the Times about snowboarders going off-piste. Apparently they are responsible for most the avalanches seen in the Alps (very frequent this year because of the late snow). Usually they end up killing other people by triggering avalanches beneath them - there was an English skiier killed in this way this year in Italy iirc - and the boarders that caused it are probably going to get lenghy sentences.

At this time of year? It's freezing! That's practically police brutality.

Rob's on the phone to the judge as we speak.

8 years then. Got off lightly imo. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yo...ire/4828828.stm

And David Moyes agent is? Paul Stretford. Still, I'm sure Shepherd will do what's best for the club.

Of course people are free to talk about anything they want about NUFC on this forum, but seriously, this is getting like Groundshog day. Don't people ever get bored with typing the same stuff, over and over again? My suggestion is we make a new board called "Has Shepherd done a good job at NUFC", because this is getting ridiculous.

I think tickets are more than that aren't they - nearer 30 squid?

Anyone got a picture of Souness with Boumsong, Faye and Luque for Gemmill to hang on his wall?

I agree as long as it doesn't detract from the important point, our performance. I'm a bit overly sensitive to criticisms of the referee because I swear to God the twat that sits in front of me is only interested in going to the match to shout abuse at the ref. It's so distracting it's driving me mad, it's non-stop and incessant, every single match. Of course, this twat can spot an offside at the Gallowgate end much better than the linesman, and of course, we should get awarded every single decision going. Naturally yesterday I thought he was going to explode, but unfortunately this never happened. Still, if he keeps up his referee-hating antics rather than give one ounce of support to the team I may be forced to garott him with some clothesline. 108261[/snapback] Where do you sit Renton? Cos the bloke that sits two from me sounds exactly like that. He'll make more noise if the goalkeeper doesn't take a free kick in his own area from the exact spot than if we fucking score. 108444[/snapback] I'm SJH level 4, Access 13, about half way between the away fans and the Leazes goal. Mind, the whole ground is full of knackers like the one in front of me.

They should test drugs on dogs in dog borstal tbh.

Should be more subtle tbh. Username: Jack Location: Wearside

I think it's clear where his commitment lies from his interviews. Agree with you he is commited when he plays, but I don't see a long-term committment form him. Besides, I think the money we could get from him could be much better invested in the team, starting with acquiring the right manager. He's a luxury we can't afford right now.

Hoaxers are a huge waste of resources for the police, fire service, and ambulances aren't they Rob? I thought up to 50% of calls to the fire service were hoaxes. Which is besides the point. Do you not care that his action might have led to the deaths of innocent women? Do you not think he needs to atone for this in some way?

This might sound harsh, but I hope Owen has a great world cup, raises his value £20M or above, and then fucks off to another club where he can take the piss.

No - I really think this the sort of person who shouldn't be inside - he's an idiot but I really don't see what good adding another body to our overcrowded prisons is going to achieve and since its been years since he did it originally i can't see how punishment NOW is going to stop other idiots doing the same in the past or in the future 108352[/snapback] I completely disagree. But out of interest, what do you think should have happened to him if he was caught red handed 25 years ago?

That's more like it, I didn't have you down as a Borstal boy, for some reason. You would imagine that sort of thing is more likely to fuck up a life than solve any problems, for what seems like reasonably ordinary boyhood mischief. I'm mostly just playing devil's advocate, although I do believe some of these more controversial ideas would work better than what we've got. I don't see the point in getting involved in debate to point out how right you are and how wrong everyone else is, it's not like we're actually going to change anything on an internet forum (or anywhere else for that matter). 108351[/snapback] Well I was thinking (on a related note) the other day about how my view points on crime and punishment are becoming more right wing and conservative. Believe me, this horrifies me, but I can't help swaying to the idea of much more severe punishments for some of the scumbags that live round here. I'm just reacting to the environment I live in I guess, sometimes I really think I need to get away from this place before I become something I hate.

I'm guessing that if hoaxers stopped to consider the repercussions of their actions they wouldn't do it in the first place. If they're considering that lives could be lost due to their actions but at least they won't be affected then I'd happily advocate a bullet in the head, to be honest. I don't feel too comfortable with punishing people purely on the basis of us getting our pound of flesh. It's a real shame what happened to your mate, must have been a repeat offender, did it do any good? I reckon Crime & Punishment is something we should get seriously philosophical about. 108340[/snapback] Welll I lied a bit, he wasn't really a mate, just someone I knew (from another school). From the little I knew of him he actually seemed OK, I have no idea if he had previous or not but I assume so. Don't know what happened to him, but it seemed incredibly harsh to me at the time. Yes, we could certainly get philosophical but it's Monday, I've got a headache, and I'm counting down the minutes until Leazes/HTL joins in and it becomes a slagfest.

Is justice about crime prevention or exacting revenge, though? If putting him away serves no preventative purpose then it's blatantly vengeance and nothing more. 108337[/snapback] Well not locking him away would say volumes to would-be hoaxers, wouldn't it? Without getting too philosphical about crime, order and jurisprudence, I believe people should pay for their crimes, yes. Usually this has the added bonus of deterrence and allows for rehabilitation. If this man is truely repentful for what he has done, he should welcome the sentence tbh. Btw, to put this into perspective, one of my mates once got done for setting a fire alarm off during a school exam. He got 2 years in a young offenders institution. On the basis of that, this hoaxer would die in jail.

His actions potentially cost lives, and certainly cost probably millions of pounds of taxpayers money. Punishment is part of the function of the penal system, as is deterrent. Not the sole function, but an important aspect. The fact it happened over 20 years ago does not make his actions any less despicable. In fact, the fact he never came forward and to this day has continued wasting tax payers money makes it worse.

Without wanting to sound disrespectful, is flying the flag half-mast for the death of a local comedian not many of us have heard of really appropriate? Surely such a gesture should only be made when a significant ex-player or manager dies, or there is a national or international catastrophe? Just a thought.

Pleaded guilty I see. Hope he gets at least 10 years. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4825002.stm

The reaction to the goal around me was delayed because we all assumed he was offside, as usual. Has there been a falling out in the dressing room then?

I agree as long as it doesn't detract from the important point, our performance. I'm a bit overly sensitive to criticisms of the referee because I swear to God the twat that sits in front of me is only interested in going to the match to shout abuse at the ref. It's so distracting it's driving me mad, it's non-stop and incessant, every single match. Of course, this twat can spot an offside at the Gallowgate end much better than the linesman, and of course, we should get awarded every single decision going. Naturally yesterday I thought he was going to explode, but unfortunately this never happened. Still, if he keeps up his referee-hating antics rather than give one ounce of support to the team I may be forced to garott him with some clothesline.

Time and time gain we are exposed for what we are against the top teams - mediocre at best. Even under the so-called glory days under Robson we could never really compete with the best teams, you have to go back 10 years before we could. It's fucking depressing considering the fortunes we have spent, and whilst I don't want to start another tedious Shepherd argument, how can anyone but those at the top be held resposnible for our predicament? We just have to accept we will always be an also-ran club, pretty depressing considering our phenomenal support. As far as the referee went, so what? He was inconsistent, made some bad decisions, but he made no impact on the result of the game. The truth is we were completely outplayed and could have lost by more. I said a few weeks ago we shouldn't get carried away by Roeder's apparent revival until we played the big 3. Well, it looks like we have got our answer and I'm gutted.