Renton

Personally I think nuclear power is the only proven technology we can use to stop emissions. The problem is though, that no matter what the UK does, or even Europe, it will have a neglible effect if the US, China and India don't act. Which they won't.

You don't think energy leaders are looking at the where the next trillion will be made? I think there'll be some very serious interest in swaying public opinion to nuclear energy, and I believe the campaign may already have started. The bit I've highlighted, fatalism or science? 82330[/snapback] I would say its common sense really. If you upset the natural balance, the consequences are unlikely to be good. And an inevitable consequence will be rising sea water - bad news if you're dutch or from the Maldives....

10 years ago a small minority were talking about it and the rest scorned,now that's flipped, so either the vast majority were wrong then or are wrong now, therefore the number of scientists supporting it doesn't impress me. It's not controversial to say that the minority have a vested interest, but maybe the other side have a vested interest in renewable energy, or a more realistic alternative, nuclear power? What's the worst case scenario? Is Jake Gyllenhaal envolved? 82321[/snapback] Scientific opinion changes according to the evidence accumulated, which is much greater than it was 10 years ago. Not many climatologists will have a vested interest in renewables, I wouldn't compare them with the oil industry - they are tiny in comparison. The worst case scenario is a run away effect which would be literally the end of life, but I would think this is very unlikely. I am fairly sure there will be significant changes though, and they are unlikely to be good.

You seem to have missed the point in your studies - we are talking about an accumulation of gases over time, a graph that keeps going upwards. The 1960s are towards the bottom of that line, their output of gas is not really relevant. Besides, with the emergence of China and India as industrial soceities, and the continued high consumption fossil fuels by the Americans, emissions are at an all time high. You describe it as a blip, well blips happen but that doesn't alter the trend. As it happens, almost every meteorlogical record known has been broken in recent years. Also, I don't accept it has anything to do with the sun unless you can provide solid evidence of this.

Not really, I have got my info mainly from Journal articles which are either original research or opinion. My Dad's an amateur meteorologist with an interest in climatology, so I borrow his papers. I would say that it is now accepted the Earth is warming, and the vast majority of scientists attribute this to human activity, principally CO2 emissions coupled with deforestation. An outspoken minority will disagree, but I'm skeptical they might have vested interests. What happens next is unpredictable and there are many conflicting theories. It has to be said though it really isn't looking good, and the predictions (based on more powerful computers and emerging data) are generally getting worse. The worst case scenario doesn't bare thinking about.

I haven't seen any evidence of that, if you have I'd like to see it. It's an issue I'm undecided on. 82305[/snapback] Last year there was a record number of hurricanes in the Carribean area, continuing a trend that has been observed over the past few years and decades. I haven't got time to give you links, but I'm sure Google will be enough if you're interested.

Much more hurricanes and more violent, no change in seismic activity though, as you'd expect.

Because normally these changes happen over centuries or millenia, not over a few decades? Because it was predicted and is scientifically plausible? Because there have been no natural phenomena that could account for it over this time period (e.g. increased solar output, changed tilt of the Earth or whatever)? A bit of a coincidence the Earth is rapidly getting hotter and this correlates almost perfectly with a rise in CO2, which in turn corresponds perfectly with the increased use of fossil fuels, don't you think? 82278[/snapback] I'm with Lou on this one. We've gone from complete ignorance to hysteria and half-truths. Europe and North America had unseasonably cold winters for over a century in recent times, similar to some of the weather we're seeing now, but now everything is a sign of impending doom. Don't get me wrong, I'm concerned about global warming and there is enough evidence there to take this very seriously, but it's just the latest soap opera. 82288[/snapback] I used to share your viewpoint, but have since spent a lot of time reading about it, and I am now very concerned. This is certainly not a natural phenomenum in my opinion, although it is completely unpredictable what the outcome will be. However, it is always wise to err on the side of caution on these matters, and it is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that we could have a run away effect leading to global catastrophe. We have the option of trying to do something about it, or crossing our fingers and hoping for the best. Burying our heads in the sand is not an option. The damage is already apparent - glaciers are disappearing as are the ice caps, especially the North pole. The Gulf of Mexico has significantly warmed, leading to ever more violent storms. And from personal anecdote, winter to me feels much warmer than it did - I can't remember the last time we had a decent snow fall over an extended period.

Thats why christianity is schizophrenic - the OT God is one of revenge - the NT God is one of forgiveness. People choose which one to quote when it suits their needs. 82276[/snapback] I choose to turn the other cheek personally.

Because normally these changes happen over centuries or millenia, not over a few decades? Because it was predicted and is scientifically plausible? Because there have been no natural phenomena that could account for it over this time period (e.g. increased solar output, changed tilt of the Earth or whatever)? A bit of a coincidence the Earth is rapidly getting hotter and this correlates almost perfectly with a rise in CO2, which in turn corresponds perfectly with the increased use of fossil fuels, don't you think?

I don't think that's true. The koran is as relevant to law as the bible in any country. 82268[/snapback] Meaning they are both irrelevant? I don't consider the UK to be a christian country, but I supposed it could be argued as the Queen is head of state and head of the CoE. But really, in all practical manners, this is a secular country, and becoming ever more so, I hope.

Add Tia Maria and Baileys to it and it's ok 81965[/snapback] tbh 82247[/snapback] Are shooters the drink of the gay then? 82254[/snapback] Yep real men drink beer - I thought everybody knew that. 82258[/snapback] Especially half a carling with a dash of lime.

Interesting, but I don't think I agree. The problem is there are too many stupid people who can be manipulated by racists and radical fundamentalist muslims alike, and too many people who will react with violence. I believe if people could do as you suggested we'd soon have a blood bath that would become uncontrollable by the authorities. Mind you, I think you should be allowed to say "we hate cockneys" etc, and strangely, it seems to be well tolerated now at matches.

not a chance, because I've seen it all Rob me boy. As I've said before, theres nowt like an "I'm alright Jack" that advocates setting murderers, rapists and muggers free once they "have served their time" just so long as they live in someone elses street. A staggeringly selfish and stupid view, reality must never have been your strong point. 82238[/snapback] Playing devil's advocate here, are most murders, rapes etc committed by neighbours in your own street? Why would anyone, even a tree-hugging sandalista, want dangerous criminals roaming around when they might themselves be murdered?

I thought it was bad news when I read it. It sounds like Souness will definitely be given until the end of the season to "get us into Europe". 82233[/snapback] If Shepherd really believes Europe is a possibility he is a bigger idiot than I ever gave him credit for.

I guess in his defence, what can he say? But better to shut the fuck up imo. I bought a program at the Mansfield match for the first time in yonks as I was taking my nephew. Honestly, it's almost worth buying for the laughable bull shit in Shearer's, Shepherd's, but especially Souness's column! "Blah blah blah, lady luck not shining, blah blah blah, injuries, blah blah, no easy matches, blah, media are destroying the club, blah blah".

Well it's really good...I love the cartoon style...are you an artist then? 82029[/snapback] only in drink.... 82038[/snapback] Anyway..I think it's good... What do you do? 82195[/snapback] I dunno...your wife slaves all day every day so that you can sit about the house strumming your banjo, and what do you do? Try and chat up women on the internet!! 82211[/snapback] Is "strumming your banjo" a euphemism?

Mourhino is a great manager AND he has unlimited funds - that makes Chelsea unstoppable, and it is ruining the league. I had hoped Abromovic would get bored and lose interest, but I was hearing on the radio today that he has plans to buy Earl's court and build a mega stadium. If that happens, the league is permanently fucked imo; it will be a one horse race and less competitive than the SPL. I think the recent halcyon days of football are well and truely over.

Maybe we should all cover our eyes and collectively chant "We are doing well, we are doing well" at the match tommorrow. The power of the mind and all that.

Got our mortgage without critical illness insurance tbh! The difference in price between that and just life cover was pretty big as i recall, and we were already getting a huge mortgage so something had to give. 82200[/snapback] If you're young and healthy you're wasting your money on it imo, so I think you did the right thing - it might cost you over 20K over 25 years. Forget about it if you're a smoker too. Anyway, I think you can tell it's a rip off when the advisor gives you the hard sell.

a predicted position of 14th will be success in some eyes, which confims what some of us said about Souness lowering expectations. Also, if Shepherd has to stump up much more cash to cover up fuckwits incompetence, we might be in the shite anyway 81846[/snapback] Do you just make stuff up so that you can say "which confirms what I've said all along..." etc. I don't know ANYONE who would consider 14th a success, and I don't believe you do either. 82183[/snapback] I don't think many, if any, people will think 14th is a success. However, I think a lot of people wil now regard 8th as success, which is odd considering we were 5th when Souness took over and have spent £50M. Maybe 14th is success, don't forget Douglas Hall (who must know an awful lot about football being a director and all) said we would have been relegated under Robson.

Good article on it from the Telegraph here. I was going to start a thread on this myself - I find this really distasteful and as the article points out it is not even good value for money. It doesn't help that it is being so heavily promoted on TV and there are bill boards everywhere (3 outside SJP). Personally I think critical illness cover is a rip off if you have a supportive job. It would cost me a significant amount of money to get it and there are stacks of get-out clauses. If I get a fatal illness, my wife will get the mortgage paid when I pop my clogs but not before! Those employment protection schemes are even worse - most don't pay out until you'll probably have another job anyway.

Good point. Who is Bridge's agent anyhow?

He'd probably have post traumatic stress disorder playing at SJP every other week mind.

People describe a light frost as an ice age here now.