Renton

Well, the only people on the thread that think that the treatment of our players on the pitch depends on their race seem to be bez and Bridget. They're entitiled to their opinions, but it is interesting that everyone else disagrees. Personally, I am completely confident I'm not a racist, in the same way that I am confident enough about my sexuality that I am not "afraid" of homosexuals. I think most people think like this now, thank God. And that is surely the way forward. Maybe for once we should realise how far we have come forward without panicking about how far we have still to go.

Hmmm, despite 12 pages I'm yet to be convinced that Shola gets stick for any other reason than the fact he is usually shit. When he has a good game, like Sunday, he is rightfully praised.

Because most workplace interviews are based on a half hour chat and a CV. When you can't decide, then I think swaying towards a non-white or non-male applicant is valid for the sake of workplace equality (or if it's a job predominantly done by womer, err towards giving it to a male applicant). Getting into a team is based on years of past knowledge of a player and what they're going to bring. You're never going to think two places are the same. Throughout the rest of the club positive discrimination should be encouraged. A few years back every member of bar-staff in the Leazes was 'non-white' as much as I encourage positive discrimination, half of them couldn't even speak English and were incapable of doing the job well. There must have been complaints because the staff now seem a lot more able to understand what is being ordered. 49176[/snapback] Yes, I remember those Chinese staff were useless, but probably cheap, which is why I imagined they were employed. I'm not sure I agree with the rest of your argument but I'm glad you put your point across.

0.0001 <-- I just want to know who that bloke is. 49169[/snapback] bez by the sounds of it.

Jesus wept. This has gone way off topic considering it's the football forum. But to steer it back on topic a bit re: positive descrimination, would it be acceptable to play a black footballer at SJP simply because he was black, when there was an equally good, or better, white player available? I suspect 99.9999% of people would think not. So if it's not the correct thing to do in the world of football, why is it in any other job?

Atmosphere? It was like a morgue 48971[/snapback] The Sunderland contingent were unusually quiet. 48987[/snapback] Yes, they were. What's it like at the SoL DM? All easy, easy and other sad charver chants from what I hear on the SMB.

As long as the criminals don't swim across a river of course....

But there are disproportionately more black players. No-one with any sense would argue this meant white people were being desciminated against though. You can add Tigana too.

In my experience the biggest inequalities in this country are based on class, not necessarily sex or race, although this undoubtedly exists. But strangely I think football is one area where there is little racism in terms of employment at least - black footballers are hardly a rarity, are they? In fact the number of black players is disproportionate to their population, I am pretty sure.

Why don't you name and shame these "unintelligent bairns" then? 48795[/snapback] There is no shame in not being erudite Renton. Nor is there any shame in being young and daft. Ignorance though? That is the issue. 48802[/snapback] It appears everybody on here is ignorant on here except you though. Funny that. 48807[/snapback] Youre getting there Renton. Ignorance doesnt mean 'thick'. Just not aware of. Did you know it was KROF day yesterday? You didnt did you? 48809[/snapback] I know now. You've said it often enough. Personally I don't see what good a KROF will do, especially if the purpose of it is to highlight a problem that doesn't exist. This might surprise you, but I haven't actually heard a racist chant at SJP for 5 years. If I ever did, I would be the first one to tell a steward and get the wanker banned for life.

Why don't you name and shame these "unintelligent bairns" then? 48795[/snapback] There is no shame in not being erudite Renton. Nor is there any shame in being young and daft. Ignorance though? That is the issue. 48802[/snapback] It appears everybody on here is ignorant on here except you though. Funny that.

Cant agree peasepud Bling, as you have read, is intrinsically linked to black music and culture Bling bastard is thus not 'diamond wearing bastard' is it? I will let you work it out. Do a search on Newcastle forums for bling. See the association. We dont get that analogy or similar used with our white players. That is the point Personally, I am certain that black players (like most balck employees) have more to prove than their white equivalent. I will keep pointing that out at work, union meetings and here until its a level playing field. That is the point. 48762[/snapback] Bling isn't black culture, it's a less than pleasant phenomenon which is ingrained in certain groups of predominantly black kids. Just like we have white charvers. It's not ALL white culture, nor should it be seen as such. 48790[/snapback] Bling is in fact part of black culture. There are some excellent web sites commenting on it and some very good articles recently in the (not so well named) broadsheets 48798[/snapback] So is it racist to call a white man a bling bastard then? For the third time of asking.....

Why don't you name and shame these "unintelligent bairns" then?

Five minutes? Well, yesterday was Kick Racism out of football day Renton. So for the first time ever I registered as not_a_racist As the day was done and the event gone. I renamed as Bez. A man I saw many times with the Happy Mondays. Been here for about 36 hours now. 36 hours = 36 *60 = 2160 minutes Not every 10 minutes as you claim. Thanks Yours sincerely, The smug, arrogant bastard! 48789[/snapback] I said 10 minutes . It just gets a bit confusing that's all, I like to know who I'm talking to, but with you it's pretty easy to work out I guess.

Indian I think. And he's shit! Oops, my racism coming out again!

The crowd is getting worse at SJP. Its like listening to bairns playing Championship Manager. Walk up to the ground and you here SKYSPORTS soundbites. "This one is WORLD CLASS - CNZ" (and he was poor today- one or two touches and people start rolling over themselves to honour him-in two months they will have him as scapegoat) Sheep? Unfortunately that is too true. I still go to other grounds when i cant get to away games. Places like Norwich, Ipswich, Sheffield Wed, Crewe, Luton etc have a core of proper fans who have been there for years. They understand the club AND its history (before the bairns start - 4 of those have won trophies more recently than us). Better astmosphere. Less spoilt. Ours is getting an embarrassment. Perhaps we grew to quickly and left a generation who didnt get in acting like automatons. Perhaps its tellys overkill. whatever it is. I have never seen a crowd at SJP more fickle and less aware than it is recently (last 5 years or so) 48622[/snapback] Jesus wept. The fact that the whole "Easy" thing never gets done at SJP apart from yesterday and on very rare occasions at cup games proves to me that it was used yesterday for no other reason than to wind the mackems up. Talk of "40,000 wankaz" and condemnation of the majority of the crowd is a slight overreaction to people taking the piss out of some plebs in the away end, don't you think?? Incidentally I wasn't involved in the chant, and think it's a bit crap, but I'm not quite self-righteous enough to pass judgement on those that were. 48634[/snapback] The chant isnt the point Gemmill. The atmosphere and fickle nature of our crowd is. People seem incapable of thinking without something they heard some fat bloke on SKY say popping into the conversation/argument. Sheep.Easy Easy is simply another example. An embarrassing and cheesy one. 48684[/snapback] While I don't like the easy easy chant at all, you do come across as self-righteous, smug, arrogant, superior ar erm chap. I know who'd I'd rather sit next to. 48769[/snapback] From you, i will take it as a compliment. Thanks. 48776[/snapback] Is there anyone on this forum from whom you wouldn't take it as a compliment from?

Tell me bez, why do you feel its necessary to change your user name every ten minutes? I'm curious.

Exactly. I noticed bez hasn't bothered to answer if it is racist to call Beckham a bling bastard yet.

Whats shite about that? You've spend TEN TIMES more than us this year, on paper your team should have wiped the floor with us. We gave a good account of ourselves, and matched you throughout the game. We certainly didnt disgrace ourselves, and if it wasnt for the crossbar we'd be looking at a different result. You might have beaten us, but we can walk away with our heads held high. Just compare the performances the last time we went to St. James', the lads made us proud yesterday. The atmosphere from the home fans was shocking, too. 48708[/snapback] Considering the closeness of the match and your good performance, I thought the away fans were pretty quiet really.

The crowd is getting worse at SJP. Its like listening to bairns playing Championship Manager. Walk up to the ground and you here SKYSPORTS soundbites. "This one is WORLD CLASS - CNZ" (and he was poor today- one or two touches and people start rolling over themselves to honour him-in two months they will have him as scapegoat) Sheep? Unfortunately that is too true. I still go to other grounds when i cant get to away games. Places like Norwich, Ipswich, Sheffield Wed, Crewe, Luton etc have a core of proper fans who have been there for years. They understand the club AND its history (before the bairns start - 4 of those have won trophies more recently than us). Better astmosphere. Less spoilt. Ours is getting an embarrassment. Perhaps we grew to quickly and left a generation who didnt get in acting like automatons. Perhaps its tellys overkill. whatever it is. I have never seen a crowd at SJP more fickle and less aware than it is recently (last 5 years or so) 48622[/snapback] Jesus wept. The fact that the whole "Easy" thing never gets done at SJP apart from yesterday and on very rare occasions at cup games proves to me that it was used yesterday for no other reason than to wind the mackems up. Talk of "40,000 wankaz" and condemnation of the majority of the crowd is a slight overreaction to people taking the piss out of some plebs in the away end, don't you think?? Incidentally I wasn't involved in the chant, and think it's a bit crap, but I'm not quite self-righteous enough to pass judgement on those that were. 48634[/snapback] The chant isnt the point Gemmill. The atmosphere and fickle nature of our crowd is. People seem incapable of thinking without something they heard some fat bloke on SKY say popping into the conversation/argument. Sheep.Easy Easy is simply another example. An embarrassing and cheesy one. 48684[/snapback] While I don't like the easy easy chant at all, you do come across as self-righteous, smug, arrogant, superior ar erm chap. I know who'd I'd rather sit next to.

I love the way Moore keeps getting judged when he's not even played for us yet... 48461[/snapback] He probably won't even get a game. Which would make him a fantastic signing, wouldn't it? Or a complete waste of money.

|Thats a lazy way of looking at it. Takes no account of what we looked like in August: Woodgate gone and no defence for months. Speed gone Solano gone Robert playing like a twat Bellamy acting like a tit Dyer being a tit Bowyer being useless, slow and mediocre at best Shearer being slower and slower and no service the manager buying the wrong players - SBR Yeah we looked a real quality outfit on and off the field. 48437[/snapback] Your second post Bez, and it's pathetic. I could go into details, but why bother? Oh yeah, Boumsong, Babyaro, Faye, Moore........ 48440[/snapback] Not a great beleiver in FACT then Renton? Try to be sensible and objecive and you might sound intelligent. Tell people which of the obove are incorrect. I mentioned in the post that it was PRE-Souness (that means before) As for Boumsong. Hes a very good player. If you saw Aaron Hughes get murdered off Camara last night and others the weeks prior to us playing you would see he did a good job last week. the games before he was fine. Basically he dropped two clangers against Man Utd. So what? Try to make your own mind up Renton. Dont just listen to SKY.. ...and READ posts before you spout SHITE It amazes me that some people can be so fucking THICK. This bloke spouts about the manager but obviously he cant even READ. That hardly gives you the right does it? AUGUST? Who was manager then shit for brains? Thank you. Today I hope we win. Off to the match now. I appreciate you READING my tetchy reply. It happens when you have gone to these matches in the past and seen Gary Rowell score 3, Jim Pearson miss a penalty, Marco Gabbiadini score at the Gallowgate etc. For those wishing us to lose. YOURE NOT FANS. Yours (feeling wound up as I do on proper derby day) Neil 48449[/snapback] I wrote my admittedly fairly rude reply quite late at night after a few stellas - what's your excuse Neil? And how many accounts do you actually have? I'm off to the match to now and want us to win. But because I live in reality land, I also want this fucking awful manager to leave by any means possible. Maybe he can shack up with you. You deserve each other.

Madness tbqf. One minute you sound like a sensible poster NO, next you say something like this. I'll tell you what, why bother with a manager? Let's just leave the selection to a random generater, and cross our fingers.

|Thats a lazy way of looking at it. Takes no account of what we looked like in August: Woodgate gone and no defence for months. Speed gone Solano gone Robert playing like a twat Bellamy acting like a tit Dyer being a tit Bowyer being useless, slow and mediocre at best Shearer being slower and slower and no service the manager buying the wrong players - SBR Yeah we looked a real quality outfit on and off the field. 48437[/snapback] Your second post Bez, and it's pathetic. I could go into details, but why bother? Oh yeah, Boumsong, Babyaro, Faye, Moore........

Well if, in the unlikely event, you are caught, just say your family meal traditioally consists of shit stale pies and burgers bought at SJP.