Renton

Naah, let's leave it, don't want to derail the thread. I don't blame the medics, they were under incredible pressure, but its symptomatic of the failings of this horrendous government.

Fucking hell, we're going back to 50s let alone the 70s. Bring out the iron lungs.

Listen to Gemmill man ffs. No seriously, what he's written is objective fact. It's where we are, it's reality. You have to deal with the real world in order to change anything. Starmer is doing that, albeit imperfectly. He has a very strong shadow cabinet to improve things only if he ever comes to power.

I think we're already there. They didn't resuscitate my sister and she most definitely was not DNR. Killed me when I found out, cryingin my office in front of colleagues. I do think it was for probably for the best but still it would have been nice for us to have an informed choice. I couldn't bare the pain of challenging the management, so let it go.

Did you get PCRed when you had the runny nose? That was the only symptom for my daughter and my other daughter was completely asymptomatic when she tested positive (on PCR, negativ on LFT). I've had two colds during covid times which have fucked me much more than covid did. I think I've lost my immunity to normal viruses. The last one was two weeks ago, felt really ill. The following week I'm suffering from swollen joints all over my body. Falling to bits tbh.

Think you're broadly right. But what happens when that model is broken? I.e. now? We're finding out but for us, it's not going to be good.

I think you are completely wrong imo.

It does every second this rank government are in charge, yes.

I am fairly certain yes. But as a minimum, I believe Starmer would stop our further descent into a facist state. You either don't believe this, or don't care much anyway.

Meanwhile, right wilst @Rayvin is prevaricating over whther Labour suit his ideals enough, Raab is giving a speech where he is de facto ditching the ECHR. THIS is what needs to be stopped.

We are. But that is not Blair's fault. For me, and I appreciate this is where I fundamentally disagree with NJS and probably SpongeBob, the UK under Blair was a pretty fucking good place, so he actually proved what can be done. I am aware there may be an element of rose tinted glasses about this and bias as I was in my late 20s and early 30s at the time. But my perception was we were one of the best countries in the World to live in at the time, and society was quite cohesive. Don't forget who destroyed this.

"Oh, Nandy Well, you came And you gave without taking But I sent you away Oh, Nandy Well, you kissed me And stopped me from shaking But I need Streeting today Oh, Nandy"

Do it once you're in power maybe? Just avoid any mention at all of the EU in the manifesto.

He's excellent although I'd like to fact check what he says, especially the 500 miilion profit quote. I was under the impression virtually every railway in the world is subsidised? Also he obviously has a different role to Starmer, he doesn't have to worry about being elected by the whole country. He would be unelectable in that context (rightly or wrongly).

You're resorting to quite ridiculous hypthetical arguments to justify your frankly ludicrous argument here. Lets not deal in hypotheticals. Lets look at the real options in front of us and vote on which we would prefer. If you'd prefer someone else to Johnson, vote against him (for whoever has the best chance of defeating the conservatives in your seat). You're either unaware of the extremely perilous position this country is in or you've given up, I suspect the latter.

Well that's a complete oxymoron. But its not like the differences between Starmer's labour and Johnson's tories are slight, is it? The differences are fucking huge. I'd argue bigger than any election in history personally. If you can't see this, and don't recognise the probably irreversible damage another Johnson term would do (like Trump in the US), then I give up.

This is what I'm scared of, loss of experienced teachers. I don't blame her, teacher's have been treated like shit since 2010. Can't quite remember what happened that year.

We're the only country in Europe standing up to Putin? Oh go fuck yourself mate, another tory shit head.

There's bound to be more industrial action heading into autumn. Got to say, after lock down (and witnessing first hand how hard it is to educate the little shits), there is no professional group I respect more than teachers. I'd give them 10% straight away.

I won't celebrate Newcastle United until we win the Champions league. Fuck the league cup, I wouldn't even smile if we won that.

Pragmatism > Idealism, every time.

Oh come on man. This is fucking ridiculous. No manifesto has been released yet. And you really think a Starmer government would be as bad as the current lot except for maybe one good policy. Really? Because from where I am, Labour's front benches are full of talented, competent, and as far as I am aware, not corrupt, people. If for nothing else surely you recognise they would be infinitely more competent than the Johnson party and not constantly stoking culture wars and wedge issues? You're lost to me!

That is first class loafing.

Fucking Labour, ruining the country again.

Those sentences seems contradictory unless you really believe a Labour government would be as bad as this current tory government. Well, yeah, for obvious reasons.