Alex

Wahey!

Video evidence basically being used to reverse a correct decision.

Parky hasn't done his own review yet, that's why

Think the age difference between Tyson and Joshua in the respective fights you were talking about isn't that relevant since Joshua's been boxing less than ten years. I would also say Klitschko on Saturday night was in much better shape than the 38 y.o. Larry Holmes. I suppose the other thing about the age is that Tyson peaked really young. I accept your point about some of the hype around Joshua but I think that's inevitable given his record and it's also from a lot of more casual fans. The other thing is that he's so exciting to watch. If you take someone like Tyson Fury by comparison then Fury and his team like to tell they world that people are prejudiced against him because he's a gypsy but the reality is people, on the whole, prefer Joshua because his fights are much better to watch. I agree with your assessment of Joshua although the point about the movement is a bit harsh because I think the way he gets in and out of range is quite underrated. It's also still difficult to say just where he's at. He's still very inexperience in terms of rounds and fights and Saturday night will have undoubtedly provided him with more knowledge and experience than every other fight put together. I also agree that Klitschko in that shape and mood would've beaten Fury. Again he goes on like he bamboozled Klitschko with an Ali-like display but in reality he just had much the better of a very dull, cagey contest. Regarding whether Klitschko held back when he had the chance to finish the fight then I guess only he'll know. I think he was trying to k.o. Joshua in the 6th after the knock-down but I suspect he was a little bit knackered too. He seemed to go for single shots and I suppose that's fatigue and not possessing the ability of Joshua in terms of being able to throw the same devastating combos. The other thing is that he was possibly concerned about punching himself out and thought he had a great chance of winning but taking it longer. Going all out for the knockout against Joshua would've been a risk. I tend to think he was just tired / unable to do it though because of the aggressive attidtude he showed in general. To be honest, from about the 7th round on I could only see Klitschko winning, either by stoppage or on points. I think that's why it was class by Joshua, he came back from that and even if Klitschko had survived the 11th then he was losing on points anyway (I think the 10-8 round in the 11th would've had him well ahead on 2 cards and level on the 3rd). It was a fucking great fight anyway. Going back to Mike Tyson (and not trying to reignite any arguments) but two things that Joshua had been criticised for (unfairly really) is that the heavyweight division isn't very good and that he hadn't beaten anyone of note could both be applied to Tyson too. I think Tyson is still comfortable the most exciting heavyweight of the last 30-odd years but one thing that I think stops him being at the very top in terms of all-time lists is the question - who did he actually beat? He's lacking that on his CV because I don't think he ever beat anyone who was that good. Holmes was class (albeit in a poor era) but he was well passed it and just after the money when he fought Iron Mike. Again that wasn't his fault.

Actually, there's two

Yeah but another who's an unknown quantity because he's never fought anyone top drawer

I reckon Ortiz would have a good chance against Joshua were they to fight in his next 2 or 3 fights. Think he's as good as anyone in the division. He can't get a decent fight because he's that combo of being too good but not enough of a box office pull for him to be worth the risk. Think Hearn's promoting him now which probably makes it even less likely. He's nearly 40 too I think so time isn't on his side either.

I only mentioned Tyson, as I made pretty clear, to highlight just how inexperienced Joshua was going into fight. As for the hype, I don't think anyone who knows anything about boxing thought Joshua was anything but a very exciting unknown quantity. Tyson was a one off who was utterly devastating at his peak. However, bringing up the Holmes fight is cherry picking. Holmes was totally finished. Also, why not question why a Tyson who was similarly experienced couldn't knock out journeymen fighters like Mitch Green or James Tillis? Again, that's not me saying Joshua's better than a young Tyson. And if we're talking about eras, the one Tyson dominated was worse than the current one.

While I'm at it. No stamina have you got the tiniest fuckng inkling how hard it would be to knock someone with Klitschko's defensive skills in the ELEVENTH FUCKING ROUND of a fight like that? Absolutely laughable patter tbh

Lets just say I wasnt surprised to see churlish comments posted by you. Thought it was a great fight tbh. Thought Bellew was correct when he said it was a throwback to some great heavyweight fights of yesteryear. It was a far from perfect performance and he was out on his feet in the 6th but to survive that was a fantastic display of character and ring craft tbh. Klitschko put on his best (and most aggressive) performance for years and used every drop of his experience and it still wasn't enough. And he's one of the best heavyweights of all time. He dominated the division for a decade ffs. Joshua on the other hand had (I think) 44 rounds in 18 fights which is absolutely unheard of to be fighting at that level. Even Tyson, who blew everyone away just about, had loads more experience than that before he beat Trevor Berbick. If you've got nowt good to say after that then I have absolutely no idea what you're doing watching boxing

Cricket for dummies tbh

Can't wait

One of his better ones tbf

He's always been an odious little cunt and he always will be.

Just hope Forest go down next week now

Fuck off Leeds

The pressure's off and they would like to win the league. Next!

How many players were on show who were eligible to play for England? 2? 3 if you count Carrick?

FYP

I did really like it but thought Cronos and The Devil's Backbone were probably just as good.

If Hull can win then anyone has a chance

That'll be about as helpful to the cause as Eddie Izzard was turning up on telly in drag to back Remain