Alex

Labour had a fucking mare though in terms of the popular vote. In any case, a Greens/LD/Labour pact wouldn’t be a bad thing. Especially considering the alternative

Fortunately not

Had a mint taxi driver who reckoned it was his dream come true yesterday because we had a Geordie manager and captain. Also reckoned Andy Cole and Ruel Fox were moved on because Tino used to sell them coke. Even though neither were at the club at the same time as Asprilla

AV was a terrible option as well, which didn’t help in 2011. In other news, it’s not that long ago lying about your job in a campaign would have lead to serious questions about your future as an MP

He was almost there, just couldn’t quite manage to get those words in the right order

The heartlands were fucking crying for someone like Blair, man

I know I keep going back to it but you can’t help anyone or change anything if you don’t get into power.

It’s really nice and not expensive either. For lunch you get a slice of pizza for less than £3 which is quarter of a 16 inch pizza. Worth ordering ahead of an evening as it gets pretty busy especially on a Friday or Saturday

Slice is the same people who’ve got Pizzeria Italia at four lane ends I think. Well nice

I think him or someone like him was necessary in taking the party away from centrism. Probably where the mistake was in his not leaving post-2017. I also agree about there not being any easy solutions/ alternatives. But Labour didn’t need to win, they just needed to stop those cunts from winning. That was definitely up for grabs with a better leader. Whether the Momentum fanatics would ever have realised that is a different matter of course.

Let’s be honest, the was a problem but that wasn’t his only issue. The lack of vision, the lack of charisma, the lack of intellect, the refusal to play the game and miss open goals by wanting to appear ‘decent’ or ‘moral’ or whatever, his choice of advisers, etc. fucking etc.

I know it’s a chain but Ask Italian in Eldon Square is decent. Also handy for the ground and they do a kid’s menu too.

Oddly if you look at the polls they were the same at the beginning and end of the campaign. So maybe most policies didn’t even matter. Also, if you look at historical surveys, people may align themselves with Labour policies and still not vote for them for a variety of reasons that probably aren’t worth going into at this juncture. What’s clear to me is that two things overwhelmingly dominated the campaigns - Brexit and the leaders. On the former, whatever side you agree with, Johnson was crystal clear on his view and has been for some time. Corbyn came across as a ditherer who didn’t believe in his own policy (I do accept he was dealt a very difficult hand btw). So, when you break it down Johnson trounced Corbyn on both counts. I struggle to get my head round it (even as someone who can’t stand Corbyn for not having the vision to stand down earlier) but there’s no denying it.

I don’t think anyone on here is trying to pin it all on one thing. It’s a counter to the absolute denial in some quarters in the Labour movement that Corbyn wasn’t a huge (probably the biggest) factor.

Can’t help thinking about Kinnock’s ‘I warn you...’ speech

He can be himself now anyway

I’m not disciplined enough for it just to be useful

KYP

I reckon this would’ve made me come off Facebook if I hadn’t already realised how shit it is

Corbyn actually looks relieved. What a fucking cunt he is. He’s basically enalbled a decade and a half of Tory rule

At least Caroline Flint lost her seat. But she should’ve been kicked out the party anyway.

No but he doesn’t know that.

I would add that his leadership exacerbated the whole Brexit problem by the way he dealt with it. Or didn’t deal with it

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