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I am rationalising not defending dimwit The differences are minimal despite the HUGE variance in money/number of clubs involved. Anyway not starting a "new" circular argument with you, you're not worth the wear and tear on my fingertips.

That’s all true but there isn’t a “proper” comparison because the EPL “sharing” whilst still skewed is a bit more equitable but let’s be honest the title race is a hugely limited “competition”. Here 1 of maybe three will win it, up north it’s one of two, that’s an awfully small difference. IF the EPL had this year’s top 4 getting 80% of the TV money from now on, irrespective of their league position in future, and the other clubs equally shared the remaining 20%, how long would it be before the top 4 was as “locked in” as the top 2 are up north ?? There’s been a bit of "at the top" change down here, but hardly a lot even with a better sharing mechanism. The lack of competition up there is not simply down to it being a crap league, which it is, but it is because the competition has absolutely no chance and for two decades one half of the duopoly has been inflating its already inflated “muscle” illegally.

Don't disagree, but we have had an all but locked in top 4 out of 20 teams for ages, a locked in top 2 out of 12 is not really much of a difference in reality. Especially when the TV cash is split 80% to aforesaid top 2, 20% between the rest.

Wow, where to start 1st Para, I mentioned threads over weeks, you portrayed Gers fans sentiments based on message boards as “let’s take our medicine and go into Div 3” as the “norm” – even that is flawed as the premise of that thread is diametrically opposed to “contrition”. A man who hits women?, doubt I’d be celebrating my 31st wedding anniversary this year if that was true. Emotional time-bomb? doubtful I wouldn’t last long in my job (of many years) if I was. Don’t know where bigot comes from but I called you a spacker and you state that was a personal insult and as proof (by the use of capitals no less) that I am “someone who pokes fun at the mentally incapacitated”!! ergo admitting your mental incapacitation. Superb

You can't even read can you My original post said NOW, yes there's a thread there NOW but the threads (over weeks and weeks) prior to the CVA result were anything but. Anyone who suggested they'd done anything wrong was branded a Taig and banned/threatened, was absolutely comical, and now reality has sunk in they are saying "lets go in the third", if you read that thread it's let's go in the third so we can screw the SPL/other clubs NOT because "we were naughty, best take our medicine). Oooh it's on the front page it must be true. You are a spacker Stevie you really are, and soon to be destitute given your gambling problems.

All those titles that could well get stripped because they were playing inelligible players ?? Those title's As ever you also over simplify things, rational discussion is not your forte (but sadly breathing is) the league is Scotland is run by the OF for the OF, it is hugely corrupt. BTW we had a two man league this season (and for several other years an all)

Emotional Your missrepresentation of Rangers fans views and contrition is 100% bollocks, I've been following the message boards up there right through this scandal, and the sentiment is anything but contrite or "because they deserve it" But as ever you're too dim to see that, far too complex

aka The Daily Ranger Even if true (which I doubt), biggest effect would be on Celtic as the OF get 80% of the cash anyway (which is only £16 mill in total). Sky have 500,000 subscribers up north, they only need 33,000-ish to cover their SPL costs, if they pulled the plug, reckon they could well lose more than that.

Most fans up there are under no illusion of how shite the league is, the OF fans however totally different kettle of fish and their biggest clubs in the world bollocks. The league up there is absolutely crippled by the OF. It will never be a "great" league but without the OF it'd be competitive, which is all a fan can ask tbh. Shame there's such a lack of coverage of the "saga" actually, it's possibly the biggest prolonged scandal in any league ever. BTW Rangers will have cost you, me and everyone else £2.00 in unpaid tax.

Who ever said that ?? (it's about your lack of brain power to even negotiate yourself onto the site, MugFool ) As for your third point, have you read the Bears Den ??? NOW they consider Div 3 before the HMRC decision it was all They can't touch us etc etc As ever Stevie spouts 100% bollocks

So you can fool a jury, but obviously can't fool Levy (or the FA for that matter).

Can't be, Stevies managed to post

Well done for being a computer literate scratter, except when it comes to managing to log onto Skunkers of course

Aye ok 17 in a row, does that make you feel better ??? As king cunt of the forum, you can explain for me, you've had plenty practice. Settled your bet yet ? That's if you have any money left of course

Who was second during all the 9 in a row ???? Dunno why I bother, it's like rationalising with a fucking turnip

ALL Rangers results change to 3-0 defeats it changes the picture substantially. Prove your point do all the maths.

But according to Gers fans (and the Glasgow media) it's all HMRC's fault !!!! Great blog by Alex Thomson (C4 news and a mag) http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-taxman-walk/1899 He's had loads of shit off the Glasgow media for sticking his nose in and asking the REAL awkward questions.

In fairness theyr'e nearly as bent as Rangers, two cheeks of the same arse tbh Celtic had EBT's set up the same as Rangers but coughed it pretty soon after they started using them and then paid up the tax etc. All brushed under the carpet of course. HMRC were after Rangers as they really pushed the boundaries way beyond anything else, but rumours up north reckon there's 6 English clubs in the sights as well who have used EBT's if some of them also have done the side letter thing........................... The big tax case result is the trigger/test case HMRC are waiting for, to go after them as well.

Someone did all the maths on an SPL team board, there'd have been multiple winners going back nearly 20 years. There was a report some weeks ago that Porto (I think) were going mental as Rangers beat them in the Uefa semi final with "ineligibles" in the team, were talking of suing through UEFA. For the EBT's see: http://www.bbc.co.uk...w-west-18148818

Nope Hearts Hibs Motherwell Aberdeen and Dundee Utd are in there somewhere as well. Murray is more culpable than Whyte tbh, Whyte's antics just pulled the trigger although he's going to be carrying the can. Hopefully HMRC go after Murray as well though. Souness had an EBT set up for £10K years after he left Rangers just before he bought a player (who's name I forget) for Blackburn for £6Mill !!! If memory serves from the BBC Panorama programe they did on BBC Scotland, Boumsong was paid circa 1/2 a mill via his EBT. Gordon Smith former head of the SFA had an EBT when he was a director of Rangers (as did current SFA or SFL chief I believe). You can probably see why other teams fans are so up in arms about "corruption" and OF favouritism, when you consider the SPL voting situation on top of all the nefarious goings on. Romanov's (Hearts owner) famous "the SPL is run by a mafia" rant which was laughed at and derided, a year or so ago, is actually being proven 100% spot on. They also cheated European teams, when they did occasionaly get into the group stages of the CL, ineligible players were bound to have featured in the playoff that got them there. Then the money they got from Europe went even further than it should have because of the EBT's. It absolutely stinks.

Basically it’s like this, rough example: If you pay a player £20,000 a week he pays 50% tax so his take is £10K a week Rangers offered £20K a week but paid £10K a week through his contract and £10K a week through an EBT (which is legal when an EBT is a loan with an expectation that it be paid back) the EBT is tax free so for the same £20K a week the player pays £5K tax so his take is £15K a week. The double contract is because some (the BBC identified loads but probably all had them) the EBT’s had “side letters” which stated the loan wouldn’t ever be needed to be repaid. Which makes it illegal and makes the EBTa second contract of employment and the income taxable. Basically because of the miss-use of EBT’s Rangers could offer the same salary as other clubs but maximised illegally the players take, therefore making them more attractive. Team “A” offers £20k a week or Ranger offer £20K a week, who you going to join ?? That’s what the big tax case is about. In terms of the football side: All contracts must be declared to the governing Association, (the side letters weren't declared) if there is a any contract in place that isn’t known at the association the player is ineligible to play, the penalty for which is forfeiture of any fixture as a 3-0 loss that the ineligible player plays in. We’re talking 75-ish players over the thick end of 20 years, in a cup final someone worked out all 11 players (that won) were ineligible. Paddock Lad – the names of possible title winners I stated is after the results are changed due to the ineligibility, not just promoting who finished second. (someone on a SPL board did the maths, I am quoting from memory though)

Bit of a fallacy that Ant. The OF get 80% of the TV money anyway for example, it only would take a couple of hundred more fans a game for each team to balance the loss of Rangers visits. That'd be easily achievable if teams actually had a chance (albeit for second place initially). SPL rules can only be changed by a vote of 11 - 1 and as the OF always vote in their own interest it's a closed shop. It's great chance for reform up there, maybe some steps backwards initially but to move forwards longer term. Everything up there is weighted by the OF for the OF. It needs to change. If they vote them back in, many teams own fans are going to desert in droves because they haven't just lived beyond their means (a'la Portsmouth) they've actually cheated, by the use of the EBT and double contracts, if proven (and it looks nailed on) all games involving inelligible players should be, according to the rules, made 3-0 losses. If that's applied in Rangers "glory years" Hearts, Hibs, Motherwell, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd (I believe) would all have won titles. As far as fans up there think, if the cheats prosper and the SPL/SFA/SFL and even their own clubs bend over backwards because they are worried about £££'s, really as a fan, what is the point. This is about money v sporting integrity.

Comparing modern day footballers to the likes of Battle of Britain pilots (as an example) SUPERB

Visited it twice when I've been in Krakow, second time took the kids (well they were in their 20's but after seeing it myself was something I wanted them to see), anyway after first time when me and the Mrs visited she was telling "the girls at work" about it and one of them said "Oh Auschwitz is that where they make the sausages" (whatever the F that means!!!!), two of the others confessed to "have never heard of it" !!! I despair at times.

According to Jehan de Waurin (who was at Agincourt - his brother and his father were killed fighting for the French, he himself later fought for the English !!) writting 20 years after the fact about Henry's speech before the battle: “…And further he told them and explained how the French were boasting that they would cut off three fingers of the right hand of all the archers that should be taken prisoners to the end that neither man nor horse should ever again be killed with their arrows. Such exhortations and many others, which cannot all be written, the King of England addressed to his men”. No mention of gestures in any of his writing. It took three fingers, not two, to draw a longbow. Draw weight's about 100lbs.