Isegrim

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsD...~703883,00.html So much for paying over the odds...

To be fair we do have tactics. Hooooooooooooooooooooooooof..... 16930[/snapback] To quote the great man again: "It's not everyone's cup of tea but they get results, and if you're going to get something there, your defenders have to do well." Graeme, spot the difference between their and our hoofing game...

"It's a hard place to go," added Souness. "Bolton play a kind of football that suits the players they have there. Wow, what fantastic observation. This is called tactics. Maybe Newcastle should also start to play a kind of football that suits the players...

For a decent price Fatty wouldn't be a bad choice. But what we need is a striker who gives us a bit of pace up front not another centre forward that has the movement and velocity of a supertanker.

As long as I don't see Jimbo's TV I believe nothing!

Most sites say Souness is on a five year contract. I was under the impression that this was what was reported first but later said it was only a two year one. Has Alzheimer already settled in? Though I stumbled across a nice article... http://www.blueandwhites.com/news/article00172.htm

Also the interest of Luque who was really thought of joining Real this summer demonstrates it. I think there would be the chance of appointing a high profile manager, though probably not just a couple of games into the season. That this isn't an ideal scenario I know myself. That leads me to another question: When is Souness contract running out? Didn't he just sign a two year contract? (I'll start googling it myself now anyway)

And Isegrim - I don't think FS will ever, ever admit he's made a mistake. His over-inflated ego is too great for that. 16674[/snapback] Oh, I didn't meant it literally. I never expected Fat Fred appearing in front of a Sky camera saying "Sorry, I was wrong, I'll buy everyone a pint." I rather meant that he would take his last appointment into consideration and learn from his mistake.

It certainly wasn't me if that's what you're suggesting. Hmm, I thought it was you who answered the question of who you wanted to have as a replacement that it is not your job to find replacements. But I am sorry if I am mistaken and it was the other way round and it stared with HTL saying it wasn't his job I have taken part in fee negotiations as it happens, not that that's really relevant. The point is that in our position we have to accept that to an extent we are at the mercy of the seller. I don't think that £1m is a small amount of money, but I think a figure like that can be foregone when you consider the impact being successful in one of these signings could have on our league and cup performance - one extra round of the cup with a sold-out St. James Park would make that money back. 16673[/snapback] It's just that negotiations doesn't work like in the "life of Brian" where somebody is prepared to pay whatever is needed. And if you do it once you won't get taken seriously in the market anymore. Newcastle have paid over the odds for players in recent history anyway (last time in January). And I am not too sure about the speculation that the money might pay off by future success. First my local club here in Germany went bust because of that kind of speculation so I am always wary of that kind of speculation. Second, who says that this sort of speculation wasn't already included in the calculation of how much money Newcastle can afford to pay? Seeing as there is no European football this year then 20m.

It's just that I have it from a source I trust that Stuttgart were prepared to pay up to 7m Euro for him after the initial bid of a loan with an option to buy was rejected. 16643[/snapback] 7m Euros straight cash? Seeing as we were valuing Viana at £4.5m in the Luque deal, we wouldn't have turned that down* *Please note, the above point used conventional business logic. Any use of such logic by NUFC is purely coincidental. 16665[/snapback] As much as I heard the representative of Stuttgart (Briem) first made a bid to loan Viana. That was rejected. Then Stuttgart asked how much Newcastle wanted to have for Viana and got told a double figure in Euro and shown that negotiating wouldn't make much sense. So Stuttgart said "Auf Wiedersehen" (what rather meant we won't come back here), spend their money on Gronkjaer and signed an unknown Croation (Carevic) from somewhere in Arabia.

I don't know what happens then. My hope would be that Fat Fred has learned from his last mistake. And I think Souness was his first appointment that was wrong right from the start. I don't blame him for appointing Dalglish, because he seemed perfect to make a winning team out of what KK had left over. I loved the appointment of Gullit because I adored him as a player and loved his idea of "sexy football". And only an idiot would say that appointing SBR was a bad idea. So don't trust in Fat Fred or have faith, but I hope he makes a sensible appointment again. I don't know who else than Bruce and Allardyce were approached last time. I fear Souness was in fact very high up the list anyway. If I were in the position I'd give the likes of Curbishley a thought, asking Keegan out of retirement. My very own idea and probably as a chairman I would get hung for is someone like George Burley who I think has loads of managerial potential. In another thread I already said that I am already writing this season off and would consider an interim solution. Probably not Roeder but again someone like Keegan could be asked to do a job for just ten months and prepare the ground for somebody to take over at the end of the season and give the club time to get a first choice manager. Anyway, whatever happens in my eyes it can't get worse than it is at the moment. P.S. Who was it again who started the it's not my job to find a replacement malarky? P.P.S. How come so many consider 1,000,000 pound (and more) as a tiny sum? Do some of those people have ever took part in contract negotiations (not only football related)?

It's just that I have it from a source I trust that Stuttgart were prepared to pay up to 7m Euro for him after the initial bid of a loan with an option to buy was rejected.

Which obviously can get classed as a protest. Not as a form of organised, but as a reflection of a dull game where people had nothing better to. But we also can have a lengthy discussion about the etymologie of the word "protest". * folds his arms and stamps with his foot in a huff *

Make no mistake. I am in agreement about Parker and Emre if even I am not sure it was the right decision to sign two central midfield players before concentrating on other positions. Again, I don't really disagree. Though he couldn't be a worth signing compared to what sort of defenders walked in before. But I have still to see one really top performance that is anything close to Woodgate having a bad game... Unfortunately I can't see how a player who didn't set the world alight in the SPL and the Bundesliga where except of his first game he looked out of depths and pace can shine in the superiour english league. To compare him with Tomasson is absolutely nonsense in my opinion. JDT was a young boy and was asked to play in an unfavoured position where he had to replace the then best centre forward of the premiership.

Well, I know a couple of German clubs who won't be too happy now because of what they were told by Fat Fred...

I have another idea. Why don't we all fold our arms and stamp with our feet in a huff simultanously. I think this would shake Fat Fred up....

Well, I loathed him before and alone to make my worst dreams come true have to consider him as a crap signing. Fair enough if he is going to prove me wrong and over night became a decent defender that is capable of more than at lashing out at other players. Maybe the pope becomes protestant too... Well, if you don't want to judge Moore before you have seen him, why judge Parker and Emre when they have not even played a handful of games... But at least they sound like great signings (so far). Boumsong was a decent signing. I haven't really seen an outstanding performance yet that is making him worth anything close to 8m though.

Maybe you shouldn't have been so tight fisted and had invested 20p or so to use one of the Internet telephone boxes...

Why is it our money ? It isn't. Once you've bought something from the club, it's theirs. 16535[/snapback] As a fact that is undeniable. However it can be argued that fans have pumped money in with the expectation that will actually spend some on players. While the board are entitled to spend that cash as they see fit, they should not be surprised if the supporters reciprocate by watching games in the pub from next season. 16570[/snapback] Correct. But for me there are two things to seperate. 1) Fat Fred the greedy bastard who is taking money out of the club for his own benefit. This would be no problem is admitted he treating Newcastle just as a business and would not be branding himself as the biggest fan. 2) The other thing is Fat Fred as a chairman. I don't trust him and apparently the publicised balance sheets are not worth the paper they are printed on. Though so far every manager got the chance of (sort of) his own team under the regime of the obese pie-eater. In an ideal world the current frustration would lead to the forming of not only an Anti-Souness opposition, but a plan to kick the mole out of his office too. But for latter you need an opposition that not only consists out of some unhappy fans who refuse to buy tickets and merchandising products but an opposition that wants to and is capable to take over the running of the club. Except of the anonymous take over I haven't seen that kind of opposition yet.

That what annoys me about some people as well. I can't understand how many people are welcoming to pay over the odds for players. It's not that Newcastle are in the position of Chelsea paying 1m too much here 3m too much there. To me the figures that have been offered for those players we were after more than matched their value in the market. What I blame Sheepheart for is that he allowed us to look desperately and be held to ransom by not trying to do the deals at right point of time but when time is running away. And I am in no way sorry for Souness. Since January he provided a string of rubbish performances. He isn't able to demonstrate that the team is playing with a game plan and I don't think this would change if he had more strikers available for selection.

Just noticed that the ManUre game isn't sold out yet. That's a bit of a sad reflection of the current state of the club.

He's made some cracking signings. - So did SBR. And by the way, Emre hasn't even played more than one league game... He didn't sell Solano. - No, he sold Bellamy, Robert... He didn't buy Cort or Viana. - Babayaro, Faye, Moore... He stood up to the wankers who we were all pissed off with. - I wasn't Bellamy never scored anyway... - Wait, wasn't Bellamy that little Welsh gobshite that scored as many league goals as Shearer?

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Allegedly Ottmar Hitzfeld is in talks with Dynamo Kiev...

we've got shearer, ameobi, dyer and chopra. what's your problem.? 16382[/snapback] Shearer's shit, Ameobi's shit, Chopra's shit and Dyer isn't really a striker. 16385[/snapback] And just for the record: Dickov is shit as well. We certainly do have a striker problem, but the attacking play already starts in midfield. The lack of created chances isn't just down to an ageing Shearer but also to the non existence of a game plan.