JawD

I actually don't agree with the OOT bollocks myself. People are entitled to their opinion from any perspective. I actually welcome support from far afield and welcome people to support our club, not take a guarded stuck up view that it should be us and no one else. I agree though that unless you live in the area you maybe don't get wrapped up in the day to day living of the club where you talk about it every day to work people or customers etc. That doesnt devalue opinion though and in fact helps give different perspective. Also couldn't care if someone goes to games or not. Doesn't mean their opinion is any less worthy. Far to sensible at times me like

I wont put him on ignore. But the whole thing is really doing my head in. I have tried to engage in debate with LM recently and tbf when he gets the pettiness and side swipes out of his posts, they can make for decent discussion. However, it does become enfuriating when points you make are twisted or ignored and he does into a single minded approach where your point is not addressed but a standard reply is almost made. This standard reply singing the exact same tune is then spread over every single fucking thread. LM, it is when you do not take an active part in the discussion but mearly almost copy and paste your opinion and post from every other thread into another. Knowledge of the past is undeniable, but ability to engage in positive forum discussion without being petty is non existent. I say yesterday and answered every single question you asked of me. Every one. Every point made I replied to. I then asked you to answer one. Just one question without twisting it and I asked for a simple 1) or 2) answer and you couldnt even do that. You (LM) have bleated on about Gemmill and his opinion of Souness. I was so fucking sick of reading it I even went off myself and read loads of old Toon-chat posts from you and him and not once did I read anything to back up your point. But, what I did notice is what a much better place the forum was at that time. Mostly because every thread did not boil back down to the same fucking thing of your bleating on about how much you hate MA (or is he called "your man???" as you always seem to put in an effort to point score) and about how much that means everyone hated Freddy Shepherd. I have said time and time again and I know 100% I am right. No one fully support MA 100%. No one is against what SJH or FS done 100%. Everyone can see the good the previous ownership done for the club and also recognise there were some bad in that. Everyone can see the good MA has done and is doing now and also recognise the fucked up things he has done. Everyone is fucking over the moon with where we are right now waaaaay beyond any expectations for t his season. You go on and on about "how people cannot understand simple football logic" and yet I cannot understand how you cannot see that everyone pretty much has a balanced view. Like I have said many times, peoples points are not black and white, all of one or another. they are all shades of grey. There is no team positive or fucking negative. there is no Ashley camp. There is no "your man". There is no "Boo when in 5th" people. And so on. These are things in your head you refer to to try and support your argument that would be much better if you posted in a more reasonable reasoned manner. There are just different opinions and sliding scales. I know it is not all one sided. I know people give you as much as you do them. But I can clearly see how they are driven to such a place. I'll still not put you on ignore though you mad bastard.

Looking out for this myself, hoping to get a longish exposure pic (stationary stars with "trail" of the ISS.

I blame the anti-quote function. No wink! The rest of the thread I'll post about later (bet you can't wait) as been working away all day

JawD its a fact that NUFC had the 14th biggest revenues in football. Given the fact that you appear to think that despite this, the club needs to use part of money received from the sale of a player to meet normal operational requirements, does that not mean you think NUFC need to sell to survive ? If you don't, at what stage do you think a club needs to do better than have the 14th biggest revenues in world football so they do not have to do this ? I realise such a logical and obvious train of thought will be too much to comprehend for certain people, like the accountant, his mate the grey man and Fish to name a few. Because Turnover means nothing. Turnover just tells you how much income the business has. Think of it another way. Business A has a turnover of £100M and bloke B has a Turnover of £50M. Who is better off? You dont know do you. Business A generates a higher level of income, but to generate that income might cost £99M while Business B might cost £25M to generate theirs. therefore Business B is the better model (teaching to suck eggs here Im sure). But my point is that the 14th biggest revenue is/was not all that relevant. Some figures for you. 04/05 - 12th on 128M 05/06 - 13th on 124M 06/07 - 14th on 129M 07/08 - 17th on 125M 08/09 - 20th on 101M 09/10 - not in top 20 but <£81M - Not surprising given relegation? 10/11 - TBC but I would expect a large increase over 09/10 But this point about the 14th largest revenue, tbh I dont really get your point being made? Yes, I know the income has dropped and that is no surprise given the reasons said. But previously we were not profitable, we loaned the money. Simply, to answer your question. do we need to sell to survive? No. Do we need to sell to cover operational costs? No. Do we need to sell to buy new players? Yes and No. If we can sell a player for large profit, profit that would take a long time to generate through normal trading (on shirt sales etc) then this is a quicker way to have the funds to reinvest. My turn. Dont twist it or change it. No ifs but maybes. Just a simple 1) or 2). Which scenario would you prefer : 1) Sell no players (other than those not getting a game) and invest £10M in squad for two new players (assuming 2 at £5M each or One and a free) 2) Sell one big player for £20M (not including those not getting a game) and invest £25M in Four new players (Assuming £5M each still or One £10M, Two £5M one free etc) Baring in mind we need to strengthen our squad depth, more so in Europe. Bump incase LM missed my little question at the end.

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Im actually on the lookout for a mount. Its to attached my camera to so I can take astro pics. Not a mount in that kinda of way CT

LM, another question. I keep bringing up Arsenal. What is your opinion? Never mind 14th in the money league, they are 5th with near double what we have ever had. Yet, their net transfers are less than us. Discuss.

Here you go: 04/05 - 12th on 128M 05/06 - 13th on 124M 06/07 - 14th on 129M 07/08 - 17th on 125M 08/09 - 20th on 101M 09/10 - not in top 20 but <£81M - Not surprising given relegation? 10/11 - TBC but I would expect a large increase over 09/10

I have two kids. 2 & 4. This is nowt man

14th Revenue blah - Not sure of the relevance but what happened to it is it declined for ages and naturally being relegated was the biggest impact. Its a no brainer. Being relegated would have a huge impact on TV money. Plus the fans being against the new ownership and not spending as much. All my assumptions of course. Do we have to sell our best players? At the moment I would say in the same we that Man Utd sold their best player (an offer they could not refuse) or that we have always always said, if a players doesnt want to be here, sell him (Enrique). I would be pissed if we sold Tiote for £10M for example but if £25M came in I would have to think long and hard as that could be reinvested (like the AC money has been) to strengthen us further. What about the wages eh. Outgoing (of relevance) Barton, AC, Enrique, Nolan, Campbell, Routledge. I have no idea but lets say £50K each. That is £300Kpw or £15.5M a year. Incoming (of relevance). HBA, Cabaye, Ba, Marv, Obertan, Santon, Cisse using the same £50K is £350Kpw or £18M a year. What sort of club spins this kind of rubbish? I think you'll find Man Utd fans are often pissed at their new ownership and debt that brought. Arsenal as said spend (nett) less than we do? How do you think they manage it? Are they not ambitious? So you think we are the same as Bolton etc. Tell you what LM, I reckon all of those you name would love to be where we are right now. Not bad for a 2nd rate club eh. JawD its a fact that NUFC had the 14th biggest revenues in football. Given the fact that you appear to think that despite this, the club needs to use part of money received from the sale of a player to meet normal operational requirements, does that not mean you think NUFC need to sell to survive ? If you don't, at what stage do you think a club needs to do better than have the 14th biggest revenues in world football so they do not have to do this ? I realise such a logical and obvious train of thought will be too much to comprehend for certain people, like the accountant, his mate the grey man and Fish to name a few. Because Turnover means nothing. Turnover just tells you how much income the business has. Think of it another way. Business A has a turnover of £100M and bloke B has a Turnover of £50M. Who is better off? You dont know do you. Business A generates a higher level of income, but to generate that income might cost £99M while Business B might cost £25M to generate theirs. therefore Business B is the better model (teaching to suck eggs here Im sure). But my point is that the 14th biggest revenue is/was not all that relevant. Some figures for you. 04/05 - 12th on 128M 05/06 - 13th on 124M 06/07 - 14th on 129M 07/08 - 17th on 125M 08/09 - 20th on 101M 09/10 - not in top 20 but <£81M - Not surprising given relegation? 10/11 - TBC but I would expect a large increase over 09/10 But this point about the 14th largest revenue, tbh I dont really get your point being made? Yes, I know the income has dropped and that is no surprise given the reasons said. But previously we were not profitable, we loaned the money. Simply, to answer your question. do we need to sell to survive? No. Do we need to sell to cover operational costs? No. Do we need to sell to buy new players? Yes and No. If we can sell a player for large profit, profit that would take a long time to generate through normal trading (on shirt sales etc) then this is a quicker way to have the funds to reinvest. My turn. Dont twist it or change it. No ifs but maybes. Just a simple 1) or 2). Which scenario would you prefer : 1) Sell no players (other than those not getting a game) and invest £10M in squad for two new players (assuming 2 at £5M each or One and a free) 2) Sell one big player for £20M (not including those not getting a game) and invest £25M in Four new players (Assuming £5M each still or One £10M, Two £5M one free etc) Baring in mind we need to strengthen our squad depth, more so in Europe.

Ps Ant, get rid of that quote thing man, does my head in.

Oh howay man LM ffs. We've been through this (I know how you feel now...), but here you go: AC was sold in Jan 11. Since then we have bought (forgetting agent fees for a moment) : HBA £6M Cabaye £4.5M Marv £FREE Obertan £3M Santon £5M Elliot £0.5M Cisse £9M - all give or take a bit. Total £28M Then consider that recently NUFC have paid some of the highest fees to agents, around £6M not including some of the above. But look, its not this simple. It is not as easy as this much came in so that much goes out. It really isnt. What about wages? You sell a player on £50K per week and buy one of £30K per week. Surely the £20K per week has to be accounted somewhere? The same in reverse? so you agree that a club like NUFC has to sell its best players to meet normal operational financial committments ? What happened to the 14th biggest revenues in football ? And what about the fees received for Nolan and Enrique ? What about their wages too ? They are conning foolish supporters man, and they are believing this drivel. What other so-called big club spins this sort of rubbish to its supporters ? This is the actions of a 2nd rate sellng club, with a small fanbase like Stoke, Bolton, Blackburn etc......and people are falling for it hook, line and sinker. They need to sell to survive. Fair enough if you think NUFC are a 2nd rate selling club like Stoke, Bolton and Blackburn mind. 14th Revenue blah - Not sure of the relevance but what happened to it is it declined for ages and naturally being relegated was the biggest impact. Its a no brainer. Being relegated would have a huge impact on TV money. Plus the fans being against the new ownership and not spending as much. All my assumptions of course. Do we have to sell our best players? At the moment I would say in the same we that Man Utd sold their best player (an offer they could not refuse) or that we have always always said, if a players doesnt want to be here, sell him (Enrique). I would be pissed if we sold Tiote for £10M for example but if £25M came in I would have to think long and hard as that could be reinvested (like the AC money has been) to strengthen us further. What about the wages eh. Outgoing (of relevance) Barton, AC, Enrique, Nolan, Campbell, Routledge. I have no idea but lets say £50K each. That is £300Kpw or £15.5M a year. Incoming (of relevance). HBA, Cabaye, Ba, Marv, Obertan, Santon, Cisse using the same £50K is £350Kpw or £18M a year. What sort of club spins this kind of rubbish? I think you'll find Man Utd fans are often pissed at their new ownership and debt that brought. Arsenal as said spend (nett) less than we do? How do you think they manage it? Are they not ambitious? So you think we are the same as Bolton etc. Tell you what LM, I reckon all of those you name would love to be where we are right now. Not bad for a 2nd rate club eh.

So come on, I think its about time we stuck a few in so here we go. We wont get in the CL but will get in the EL (Ok, not much of a prediction given how close we are to the event but still) We will sell one of our big players in the summer We will invest in the squad with new players coming in for the first team More new players will come in than starting 11 players go out (So I dont include Smith, Lovenkrands, Ranger as outgoings) We will sign a Centre half, full back and midfielder at least. Krul will not be sold this summer

so where is the 25m quid left from the sale of Carroll, and what happened to the 14th biggest revenues in football ? Oh howay man LM ffs. We've been through this (I know how you feel now...), but here you go: AC was sold in Jan 11. Since then we have bought (forgetting agent fees for a moment) : HBA £6M Cabaye £4.5M Marv £FREE Obertan £3M Santon £5M Elliot £0.5M Cisse £9M - all give or take a bit. Total £28M Then consider that recently NUFC have paid some of the highest fees to agents, around £6M not including some of the above. But look, its not this simple. It is not as easy as this much came in so that much goes out. It really isnt. What about wages? You sell a player on £50K per week and buy one of £30K per week. Surely the £20K per week has to be accounted somewhere? The same in reverse?

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Happy with this season? Yes. Happy that money was held back to wait for the right player rather than rushing ahead just to spend the money because we had it? Yes. Im happy with the slowly slowly approach rather than spend any penny we have just because we have it. Seems to be working doesnt it? slowly slowly ? After a season and a half, we aren't going to see that money, and we never were going to see it, or do you think otherwise ? Are you on about the AC money? In previous threads it was discussed and showed if anything £5M was left. If anything. While I dont agree completely with their approach, I understand it and live with it (while we are doing well on the field but I reserve the right to slate them for it if the wheels come off )

Maybe so but I think they get lost in the main polemic. Which is a shame. They do, it is my single handed crusade to get the board back where it was with good discussion and piss taking. Dont have to agree and piss taking is good, but not where we are now. As it happens, I sat and read through the old toon-chat board from 2004 and some old TT posts from Gemmill and LM (fuck me they have been having a go at each other since at least 2004! ) anyway, while Gemmill seemed to be saying Give souness a chance when he came and that he didnt think it was right people wanted him out before he stepped foot in the door, there is no comment at all about giving GS money to spend. The only comment I could fine was this : Which was him saying GS should not sign anyone for the sake of it.

That splashing big money isnt always the way and that good deals can be found without doing so? and thats its been Newcastles way too often (to throw money at things) I don't follow your misconceptions and misquotes, Fish take note. I have NEVER said that spending big money on players is the ONLY way to do things. As I said, you will NEVER find a post from me that says this, I have however always said that you will never get consistent high league positions, they will not be achieved by selling your best players and withholding the cash from your manager, and that is absolutely correct. It is how football is, and what has always been. The point of the whole direction of this point JawD is that I am also saying this is what the club are doing, they have the money from the sale of Carroll and we could have 4th place nailed on by now if they had spent more of it, especially on a central defender and/or a left back. As things stand, these are the 2 areas that need to be strengthened most, while keeping ALL of our current best players, if the team is going to "progress". The club is in europe next season, it has or had the 14th biggest revenues in world football, and 25m quid from the sale of Carroll still sitting there to be used which is what any big or ambitious club would do to attempt to make this "progress". There is absolutely no excuse for selling any player this summer who is a big player that the manager wants to keep at the club ie for monetary reasons. Do you think this will happen or not ? I really don't see what is difficult about this for people to comprehend, it's simple enough but it seems that only a small number of people grasp this point at the most. LM, if you are 12th today and 11th tomorrow that is progress. If you are 12th today and 6th tomorrow that is better progress. Yes, they could have spent more and aimed higher. But they said after finishing last season, the target this season was for top half. Now, they have exceeded that, but their spend probably reflected that their aim was top half. They said for the following (next) it was then top 8. I assume this may be revisited now we are looking top 6. AP already said they were 2 years ahead of plan. So, if their aim was top half that is still progress just not as fast as it seems you would like it. I am content with that (not thrilled, but content). Its progress, its building, its slower but seems to be more measured. The players seem to be scouted thoroughly to give less risk. The money is there, they could spend it now or later with less risk. I am ok with that so long as I see the progress which at the moment I can. I get what you are saying, you have the money spend it now and progress faster. Show greater ambition. No ambition would surely be to sustain and consolidate, float around just under midway? They do have ambition but it is a slower approach. Btw, you were not misquoted by anyone, it was a direct copy and paste of something you said. As for the do I think a player will be sold, I have said in a few posts now I do. I do think a main player (think Tiote or Ba etc) will be sold. I dont like it, I dont want it, but yes that is what I think will happen. Is it a lack of ambition? Only if they do not use the money. If they sell one for say £15M and bring in two £6M players giving the squad more depth and so long as the quality of those players is better than what we sell, I'll live with it begrudgingly. If they sell one (or more) and bring in lesser quality meaning the first team suffers then I will say it is a bad move. Dont mistake me for someone who thinks MA only does good. I sit back and consider each point on their own merit. Not sit on one side of the fence no matter what. Of course I comprehend your point, but you need to see people have different ways of looking at things. Doesnt mean they are wrong just as they have a different opinion.

Cheers MF, that was a particularly bizarre scene.

Another recently from fields near mine. took this while I nipped out for a morning walk.

A while since I posted any, here is a selection from last week in Amble or in this case, Alnwick gardens.

Will YOU stop misquoting ME, and answer MY simple question? Why Don't You Just Switch Off Your Television Set And Go Out And Do Something Less Boring Instead?"

Is this it like?