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agreed, not being sensitive (or even a yank), just saying I think most people outside of the congregation in question think this "burn the Koran day" is pretty retarded. Might as well be for all the identity Canada has. .... ..ok

agreed, not being sensitive (or even a yank), just saying I think most people outside of the congregation in question think this "burn the Koran day" is pretty retarded.

not to split hairs or be contrary. I think Stevies comment "yanks" is a bit of a generalization, the vast majority of people I have seen interviewed about this think they (the religous nutters) are completely fucked. Its not as if this tiny radical religous faction from the deepest darkest southern united states is the status quo for american culture. I'm just sayin.

need a hug? clearly too young to remember the 90's tbh. the last one is fekkin funny....

haha...i know the image i tried to embed didn't work, suffice to say as usual we don't agree....huge surprise

I don't see the difference between burning flags/effigies and holding protests screaming hatred at Muslims - both are free (or should be) to do so but both show underlying intolerance which is identical. Sorry like, but I don't think objecting to people telling me what I can and can't say and/or demonstrating anti-British sentiments about our troop or our way of life is intolerant. I think it's quite justified. If they don't like it, they can fuck off to somewhere more suited to their beliefs. Would you go to Egypt and walk down the street holding your wife's/girlfriends hand when you knew it wasn't the norm way of life and you would be in the shit ? Is that intolerant or showing respect for the host countries customs or way of life, or do you stand by your apparent claim that you should stand your ground at the Egyptian courts and legal system and insist how intolerant they are ? bit confused by this, i thought you were holding up the event of a woman in Egypt being fined for wearing a bikini as intolerant...no? please clarify.... it's straightforward enough in its contradiction maybe.... so are they being intolerant or not....can't have it both ways. you seem to be slipping into your regular mode of arguing from both sides so you can be correct. of course that is just the opinion of this plastic "yank" yep, it's just the opinion of a plastic yank. Protest about "intolerance" in Egypt, and see what happens to you, is the message. Fairly straightforward, as I said. i understood about the intolerance bit, just unsure who you were insinuating was being intolerant, the bikini clad hoochie? for not conforming to the ways of the land. or the egyptian authorities? for being opposed to a little T&A. Well, I'll give you a clue. What happens to you in Egypt if you don't accept or show respect for the ways of the land ? We'll put to one side for a moment that she wasn't flying aeroplanes into buildings or screaming death to the infidels etc etc not answering the question then....big surprise!

Link these sources then please. saw it on espn....although it was the club stating that they had come to an agreement with NUFC but ultimately it was up to BA and his agent now

I don't see the difference between burning flags/effigies and holding protests screaming hatred at Muslims - both are free (or should be) to do so but both show underlying intolerance which is identical. Sorry like, but I don't think objecting to people telling me what I can and can't say and/or demonstrating anti-British sentiments about our troop or our way of life is intolerant. I think it's quite justified. If they don't like it, they can fuck off to somewhere more suited to their beliefs. Would you go to Egypt and walk down the street holding your wife's/girlfriends hand when you knew it wasn't the norm way of life and you would be in the shit ? Is that intolerant or showing respect for the host countries customs or way of life, or do you stand by your apparent claim that you should stand your ground at the Egyptian courts and legal system and insist how intolerant they are ? bit confused by this, i thought you were holding up the event of a woman in Egypt being fined for wearing a bikini as intolerant...no? please clarify.... it's straightforward enough in its contradiction maybe.... so are they being intolerant or not....can't have it both ways. you seem to be slipping into your regular mode of arguing from both sides so you can be correct. of course that is just the opinion of this plastic "yank" yep, it's just the opinion of a plastic yank. Protest about "intolerance" in Egypt, and see what happens to you, is the message. Fairly straightforward, as I said. i understood about the intolerance bit, just unsure who you were insinuating was being intolerant, the bikini clad hoochie? for not conforming to the ways of the land. or the egyptian authorities? for being opposed to a little T&A.

I don't see the difference between burning flags/effigies and holding protests screaming hatred at Muslims - both are free (or should be) to do so but both show underlying intolerance which is identical. Sorry like, but I don't think objecting to people telling me what I can and can't say and/or demonstrating anti-British sentiments about our troop or our way of life is intolerant. I think it's quite justified. If they don't like it, they can fuck off to somewhere more suited to their beliefs. Would you go to Egypt and walk down the street holding your wife's/girlfriends hand when you knew it wasn't the norm way of life and you would be in the shit ? Is that intolerant or showing respect for the host countries customs or way of life, or do you stand by your apparent claim that you should stand your ground at the Egyptian courts and legal system and insist how intolerant they are ? bit confused by this, i thought you were holding up the event of a woman in Egypt being fined for wearing a bikini as intolerant...no? please clarify.... it's straightforward enough in its contradiction maybe.... so are they being intolerant or not....can't have it both ways. you seem to be slipping into your regular mode of arguing from both sides so you can be correct. of course that is just the opinion of this plastic "yank"

I don't see the difference between burning flags/effigies and holding protests screaming hatred at Muslims - both are free (or should be) to do so but both show underlying intolerance which is identical. Sorry like, but I don't think objecting to people telling me what I can and can't say and/or demonstrating anti-British sentiments about our troop or our way of life is intolerant. I think it's quite justified. If they don't like it, they can fuck off to somewhere more suited to their beliefs. Would you go to Egypt and walk down the street holding your wife's/girlfriends hand when you knew it wasn't the norm way of life and you would be in the shit ? Is that intolerant or showing respect for the host countries customs or way of life, or do you stand by your apparent claim that you should stand your ground at the Egyptian courts and legal system and insist how intolerant they are ? bit confused by this, i thought you were holding up the event of a woman in Egypt being fined for wearing a bikini as intolerant...no? please clarify....

.......please say it's not just a rumour.

As I have said in other threads, the only way forward is to get to know each other better. People fear what they don't understand. I saw a poll recently - I will try to dig it up later - that said opposition to this mosque/community centre is lower among Americans who actually know individual Muslims. I just think that's naive. When two culture are diametrically opposed, there will always be conflict by definition. I mean, look at this board, with one or two notable exceptions, most people are reasonable and tolerant people, yet threads like this invariably cause a shit storm. I don't understand where you are getting the idea that our cultures are "diametrically opposed." Are we opposed because some idiot with a doctorate wrote a book called "The Clash of Civilisations"? Islamic and Western culture have influenced each other since the 7th century AD. Our histories, while not intertwined, have always had more than a nodding acquaintance. It is only in the last century or so that this notion of "us vs. them" has developed, and that is because of unfortunate factors on both sides. You see us as primitive. We see you as imperialist. Maybe both of us are right to an extent. But we have to put that aside. NJS brings up a brilliant point about the segregation of Muslim immigrants. From your perspective, you say "They keep to themselves. They don't want to integrate into our society. Why should we make the effort?" But we say "They don't approve of us or our culture. They don't want us to integrate into their society. Why should we make the effort?" Both sides must make the effort. This is why the minaret ban, the veil ban, the effort to stop this community centre are such damaging events and why they must be stopped. What message can these actions possibly send other than "we don't want you, stay out"? What effect will that have on people who came looking for a new future away from possibly restrictive lives in their home countries? It will make them think that it really is "us vs. them" and it will make them easy prey for people who want to recruit based on that mentality. But from our side, we have to realise that this is the 21st century and that it may be time to let go of some of the old ways and adapt to a new society. Sharia is a relic of the 7th century. I have never agreed with people who insist it must be implemented even in Muslim countries - have we learned nothing from the last 1300 or so years? It has to be abandoned. Women have to be given full and equal rights. The Prophet was a champion of women's rights in his own time and Islam vastly improved on their pre-Islamic status. But little has changed since his time. I don't think he would have wanted us to keep things the way they were, but to continue to strive to better our society. The best way for these changes to be made is more intermingling and more commonality. It's a lot harder to hate someone whose children you have watched grow up, with whom you take the bus to work, with whom you share bullshit NUFC rumours that someone texted you. We have to make the effort - but so do you. We have to learn about each other - did you know something like a third of American Christians don't even know that Islam is an Abrahamic religion and that we worship the same God? How can you take someone seriously who thinks you worship a 'false god' called Allah? We have to learn about each other, otherwise it really will be "us vs. them" forever. Well fucking said..... It's a well thought out post and most welcome, but I still think its naive. If you really want to break down these barriers then you have to recognise that religion is the problem imo. Not just Islam, but all of the Abrahamic faiths. Bearing this in mind we can immediately do two things - ban faith schools and ban overtly religious symbols in public life, of which the full face covering is an obvious one, and one that is utterly alien and offensive to many people (myself included) in the West. There should also be complete freedom of speech regarding religion - if you want freedom (which is a prime requisite of western countries), then you simply have to accept you have no right not to be offended. There's not a chance of this ever happening of course as long as Christianity and Islam remain so embedded in our culture. nah, it's only the muslims that are allowed to be offended Renton, and woolly headed liberals are defending them. As for the chances of them allowing complete freedom of speech, that is a huge NO. Again, the racist muslims are the ones who would be "offended" by such a thing, the poor dears. Their lifestyle is not compatible with life in the west, end of story, they can fight their jihads and getting all hot and bothered about teddy bears being called Mohammed, and daft fairy stories as much as they like, until they pull out the gun or the bomb and then they are causing real trouble. Doesn't matter if we in the west are offended by aeroplanes flying into buildings though. "cut yer hair hippee".......hahahahaha the way i took ATP's post was that we should be looking at the fact we truly have more in common than we do differences, the details are where it all goes to shit. you're religious, we're religious. you want peaceful existence, we want peaceful existence. it is the intolerants on each side that cause the friction. anyone read "childhoods end" by A.C. Clark? anyone? UFO lands, organized religion goes tits up because it has no way to rationalize or deify an external entity. "one world is enough, for all of us. we can all sink, or we all float, because we're all in the same big boat"-da Police .....I'm just sayin. "the intolerants that cause the friction". When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Did you see the recent article about a woman in Egypt being charged for wearing a bikini in public ? Who's intolerant ? Yet you think we should turn a blind eye to building a mosque near possibly the biggest terrorist atrocity in living memory to foster " better relations" ? You may be a softie liberal mate, but we aren't all like you. By they way, I'm not religious, that's why I keep this bollocks in its correct perspective. if you are going to quote then do it accurately i said the intolerants on each side, did you see the recent article about the religious group that was camped out in front of a gay couples home telling them they were going to burn in hell, until the gay couples neighbours from all over the street came and ran them off, for being intolerant! Look i understand that building a mosque near ground zero is in poor taste and very inflamatory. But its hardly illegal is it? And thats what it all boils down to, don't tax my gig if its not illegal.

As I have said in other threads, the only way forward is to get to know each other better. People fear what they don't understand. I saw a poll recently - I will try to dig it up later - that said opposition to this mosque/community centre is lower among Americans who actually know individual Muslims. I just think that's naive. When two culture are diametrically opposed, there will always be conflict by definition. I mean, look at this board, with one or two notable exceptions, most people are reasonable and tolerant people, yet threads like this invariably cause a shit storm. I don't understand where you are getting the idea that our cultures are "diametrically opposed." Are we opposed because some idiot with a doctorate wrote a book called "The Clash of Civilisations"? Islamic and Western culture have influenced each other since the 7th century AD. Our histories, while not intertwined, have always had more than a nodding acquaintance. It is only in the last century or so that this notion of "us vs. them" has developed, and that is because of unfortunate factors on both sides. You see us as primitive. We see you as imperialist. Maybe both of us are right to an extent. But we have to put that aside. NJS brings up a brilliant point about the segregation of Muslim immigrants. From your perspective, you say "They keep to themselves. They don't want to integrate into our society. Why should we make the effort?" But we say "They don't approve of us or our culture. They don't want us to integrate into their society. Why should we make the effort?" Both sides must make the effort. This is why the minaret ban, the veil ban, the effort to stop this community centre are such damaging events and why they must be stopped. What message can these actions possibly send other than "we don't want you, stay out"? What effect will that have on people who came looking for a new future away from possibly restrictive lives in their home countries? It will make them think that it really is "us vs. them" and it will make them easy prey for people who want to recruit based on that mentality. But from our side, we have to realise that this is the 21st century and that it may be time to let go of some of the old ways and adapt to a new society. Sharia is a relic of the 7th century. I have never agreed with people who insist it must be implemented even in Muslim countries - have we learned nothing from the last 1300 or so years? It has to be abandoned. Women have to be given full and equal rights. The Prophet was a champion of women's rights in his own time and Islam vastly improved on their pre-Islamic status. But little has changed since his time. I don't think he would have wanted us to keep things the way they were, but to continue to strive to better our society. The best way for these changes to be made is more intermingling and more commonality. It's a lot harder to hate someone whose children you have watched grow up, with whom you take the bus to work, with whom you share bullshit NUFC rumours that someone texted you. We have to make the effort - but so do you. We have to learn about each other - did you know something like a third of American Christians don't even know that Islam is an Abrahamic religion and that we worship the same God? How can you take someone seriously who thinks you worship a 'false god' called Allah? We have to learn about each other, otherwise it really will be "us vs. them" forever. Well fucking said..... It's a well thought out post and most welcome, but I still think its naive. If you really want to break down these barriers then you have to recognise that religion is the problem imo. Not just Islam, but all of the Abrahamic faiths. Bearing this in mind we can immediately do two things - ban faith schools and ban overtly religious symbols in public life, of which the full face covering is an obvious one, and one that is utterly alien and offensive to many people (myself included) in the West. There should also be complete freedom of speech regarding religion - if you want freedom (which is a prime requisite of western countries), then you simply have to accept you have no right not to be offended. There's not a chance of this ever happening of course as long as Christianity and Islam remain so embedded in our culture. nah, it's only the muslims that are allowed to be offended Renton, and woolly headed liberals are defending them. As for the chances of them allowing complete freedom of speech, that is a huge NO. Again, the racist muslims are the ones who would be "offended" by such a thing, the poor dears. Their lifestyle is not compatible with life in the west, end of story, they can fight their jihads and getting all hot and bothered about teddy bears being called Mohammed, and daft fairy stories as much as they like, until they pull out the gun or the bomb and then they are causing real trouble. Doesn't matter if we in the west are offended by aeroplanes flying into buildings though. "cut yer hair hippee".......hahahahaha the way i took ATP's post was that we should be looking at the fact we truly have more in common than we do differences, the details are where it all goes to shit. you're religious, we're religious. you want peaceful existence, we want peaceful existence. it is the intolerants on each side that cause the friction. anyone read "childhoods end" by A.C. Clark? anyone? UFO lands, organized religion goes tits up because it has no way to rationalize or deify an external entity. "one world is enough, for all of us. we can all sink, or we all float, because we're all in the same big boat"-da Police .....I'm just sayin.

As I have said in other threads, the only way forward is to get to know each other better. People fear what they don't understand. I saw a poll recently - I will try to dig it up later - that said opposition to this mosque/community centre is lower among Americans who actually know individual Muslims. I just think that's naive. When two culture are diametrically opposed, there will always be conflict by definition. I mean, look at this board, with one or two notable exceptions, most people are reasonable and tolerant people, yet threads like this invariably cause a shit storm. I don't understand where you are getting the idea that our cultures are "diametrically opposed." Are we opposed because some idiot with a doctorate wrote a book called "The Clash of Civilisations"? Islamic and Western culture have influenced each other since the 7th century AD. Our histories, while not intertwined, have always had more than a nodding acquaintance. It is only in the last century or so that this notion of "us vs. them" has developed, and that is because of unfortunate factors on both sides. You see us as primitive. We see you as imperialist. Maybe both of us are right to an extent. But we have to put that aside. NJS brings up a brilliant point about the segregation of Muslim immigrants. From your perspective, you say "They keep to themselves. They don't want to integrate into our society. Why should we make the effort?" But we say "They don't approve of us or our culture. They don't want us to integrate into their society. Why should we make the effort?" Both sides must make the effort. This is why the minaret ban, the veil ban, the effort to stop this community centre are such damaging events and why they must be stopped. What message can these actions possibly send other than "we don't want you, stay out"? What effect will that have on people who came looking for a new future away from possibly restrictive lives in their home countries? It will make them think that it really is "us vs. them" and it will make them easy prey for people who want to recruit based on that mentality. But from our side, we have to realise that this is the 21st century and that it may be time to let go of some of the old ways and adapt to a new society. Sharia is a relic of the 7th century. I have never agreed with people who insist it must be implemented even in Muslim countries - have we learned nothing from the last 1300 or so years? It has to be abandoned. Women have to be given full and equal rights. The Prophet was a champion of women's rights in his own time and Islam vastly improved on their pre-Islamic status. But little has changed since his time. I don't think he would have wanted us to keep things the way they were, but to continue to strive to better our society. The best way for these changes to be made is more intermingling and more commonality. It's a lot harder to hate someone whose children you have watched grow up, with whom you take the bus to work, with whom you share bullshit NUFC rumours that someone texted you. We have to make the effort - but so do you. We have to learn about each other - did you know something like a third of American Christians don't even know that Islam is an Abrahamic religion and that we worship the same God? How can you take someone seriously who thinks you worship a 'false god' called Allah? We have to learn about each other, otherwise it really will be "us vs. them" forever. Well fucking said.....

Fuck I hate Dubstep......music to shrug to tbh....gimme some funky house breaks or some good old DnB or jungle......LIGHTA!!!

This tbh. agree....i saw him interviewed and he sort of had a ho hum attitude like he didn't think he'd be back at city. he mentioned that he was an older player with injury history and thought his career horizon was close. maybe a little pep talk by management coould convince him of low wages with the nostalgia card............

shambles indeed.......B.O.A. WOW!!! the line up is massive! I liked the Dio stage.

JUst back. Well back on Monday night but needed a full day and a half to recuperate. WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO!!!! super sick sets by Askills, Featurecast, Diesel Boy, Jpod the Beat Chef.....the list goes on. can't wait to feel the shambha-love next year. Anyone looking for an opportunity to see BC and go to an amazing one of a kind music festival should look into this.

I hardly know what to say. What do you expect me to say when I see people defending the current policy or trying to be optimistic about it ? I'm certainly not going to spout a load of shite just so idiots like you will agree with me. hehehehe...that made laugh. as ever your point of view seems confused and hard to pin down, some might say that it is the shite you spout which precludes anyone agreeing with you. change your telescope. ...as soon as you change your comeback. if signing players on loan keeps us up i'll be happy, the alternative of signing no one at all doesn't seem like much an option. i take your point that this is not what any of the fans would like to see, but as there is no chance of MA changing the way he's running the club, it may be the best of option of a bad lot. in other words, he's a shit owner and will never match the ambition, or the european qualifications and heights reached of the previous regime. Canny, I can live with that. Shame it took you so long to see it. How long do you think it will take to find another owner who will ? Test your telescope. You are probably at ease with it because you don't spend your hard earned cash watching it every week. not at ease with it but wtf can be done about it. has to be a silver lining and all that. how long did it take me to see it? check through the threads, my disagreements with you have been in general chat ( I have called you on being a broken record abut the H's & S) but I generally don't pipe in this forum as I know a pittance compared to most on here. how long for a good owner? longer than this season I think, if we stay up MA will put us back on the block after all the shit he'll take ( and deservedly) this season for being a shit owner with no ambition. My point is that whatever miniscule steps are taken to keep us up must be better than doing nothing at all.

I hardly know what to say. What do you expect me to say when I see people defending the current policy or trying to be optimistic about it ? I'm certainly not going to spout a load of shite just so idiots like you will agree with me. hehehehe...that made laugh. as ever your point of view seems confused and hard to pin down, some might say that it is the shite you spout which precludes anyone agreeing with you. change your telescope. ...as soon as you change your comeback. if signing players on loan keeps us up i'll be happy, the alternative of signing no one at all doesn't seem like much an option. i take your point that this is not what any of the fans would like to see, but as there is no chance of MA changing the way he's running the club, it may be the best of option of a bad lot.

I hardly know what to say. What do you expect me to say when I see people defending the current policy or trying to be optimistic about it ? I'm certainly not going to spout a load of shite just so idiots like you will agree with me. hehehehe...that made laugh. as ever your point of view seems confused and hard to pin down, some might say that it is the shite you spout which precludes anyone agreeing with you.

F.O.D.

Post it on your twitter twat boy. Boring? Is there anything more boring and needy than your last post? Have a word with yourself. Twat? My definition of a twat would be a knob jockey who registers on a Newcastle forum even though they are a spurs fan, just for some attention. Didnt you admit earlier that you act the nob on here to get attention? Mate you like Danny Dyer and Eminem, your stories of your first festival are laughable and your banter is fucking pathetic. Fucking shitboy or what. and Danny wrote the book on pathetic banter....

another one of the ones that got away from the CSA, parents are dutch he and his brother (julian now with TFC ) were born in Canada, he was better than his brother which is why he chose to go and play for the Dutch side as a U21.

none taken, but you're 12 and haven't a fucking clue (no harm of course), and you wouldn't have heard of some of them as there is a large local presence of artists. festival started out 10-12 years ago w/ 600 people attending and has been growing ever since w/ 12-16 thousand attending last year. truly an amazing experience, no other festival like it. nice line up. akills, noisa, plump djs, nextmen, beardyman, qbert, hatrias.....looks good indeed, mix that all in with sun, sand , and all around general debauchery should be a great vacation.