ChezGiven

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0US1TA20160114

Their message is not the attacks, it's the complex propaganda and some efforts could be made to stop that. Warnings of attacks are not the message either.

Their message doesn't get out because of mass atrocities once every 6 months. Their message disseminates through the Internet and it's a complex message based on complex propaganda. Not 'ha ha we blew everyone up and they can't stop us, look at the terror on their faces'. That's not the message and it's the message that is the problem.

Kilafa news

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nice-attacks-isis-lorry-attack-twitter-terrorism-pray-for-nice-france-massacre-a7138136.html

How about stopping IS leaders from being able to communicate with people in France? Why does e.g Twitter etc allow IS to use their service? Is it because the authorities prefer to be able to monitor? Never understood why they don't just shut down the Internet into ISIS controlled areas. Presume there is some reason but if messages are inspiring these acts then surely stopping the message would be important? Formally identified the attacker now.

Imagine Renton's dreams. The Silence of the Gulls: Gordon Ramsey is forcing him to eat flies, maggots are crawling out the walls and a seagull is squarking sadly in the distance.

Had my first question on Brexit from the 6 year old. "Why did the queen of England tell everyone to get out of Britain?'. I threw a copy of the Guardian at her.

Hate to say it, having chastised CT for not having principles earlier but given the absolute shite state of the country, I am optimistic to hear what May's policies will be having read her speech this morning (full text here http://www.theresa2016.co.uk/we_can_make_britain_a_country_that_works_for_everyone ) Wait and see how it goes tbh, she is meant to be more right wing than Cameron whose one nation toryism and big society didnt make it past the first month in office.

A mate of mine, whilst living in Oz, once got started on in the middle of trying to have sex with a girl. She was a bit mental apparently and very odd but he was still interested because tits. Anyway, he was cooking a curry when she came over and before they had a chance to have drinks or eat they were all over each other. He is getting on with the job and slips his fingers in and within seconds she screamed at him and started punching the fuck out of him. He had no idea what was going on, she was repeatedly calling him a cunt, gathered up her stuff and stormed off. Took him about 20 minutes to realise that he had chilli all over his fingers which he had stuffed up her flange.

Its not a plan, its just that both freedom of movement and access to the single market are both variables with greater or lesser degrees which can be traded off against each other. In the EU we are at the maximum exposure / access to both. Out of the EU with a totally isolated country, we are at the opposite end of the scale. We will end up somewhere in the middle politically which may in practice be very near to where we are practically right now but with enough prima facie legitimacy for the leavers to be able to claim victory. How hollow that is will be, i think, dependent on the strength of negotiating.

Did you just raise me?

I just mean its worded to allow for shades of interpretation during negotiation. I assume we will trade off some of our access to the single market in exchange for a discontinuation of the current freedom of movement. You can phrase it the other way round too.

That's not what that says.

Oof.

I cant wait for the Netflix adaptation of all this anyway. Helen Mirren as Theresa May, Matt Lucas as Boris Johnson, Bernard Cribbins as Jeremy Corbyn, Alan Pardew as Michael Gove and Idris Elba as Farage.

I was saying last week to someone that i thought May had masterminded the whole fallout from the referendum in her favour. Michael Gove comes over as a self absorbed prick, just the sort of person who could be flattered into doing something stupid. The whole pace at which the killing of Boris (encouraged by someone senior in the party) was quickly translated into an act of a traitor (rolled out perfectly across the news cycle with buy in from the DM - who did leak that message from Vine?) just made me think it was too neat to be just 'unfolding events' - power doesnt get transferred so dramatically on the whims of on the cuff decision-making. Anyway, seem i'm not the only one who thought this https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/09/country-political-crisis-tories-prime-minister "We may assume that powerful Conservative figures wanted Boris Johnson gone, for historical as well as proximal reasons. Someone lofty may have spoken smoothly into the ear of his lieutenant, Michael Gove, to persuade him he was prime minister material and that he should desert. When he did and Johnson stepped aside, a so-called grandee, Michael Heseltine, was on hand to disembowel the corpse. Then, for his 15 minutes, Gove was before us, cross-gartered like foolish Malvolio, until another grandee, Kenneth Clarke, in concert with the Daily Mail, was ready to knife his guts. Two down in the summer of contempt." It was all May all along.

I agree, with that judgement

Judging which party's policies are 'the best' requires subjective judgements aka 'principles'. Unless you claim that we live in an era of evidence-based policy-making? I have a mate involved in policy trials, burgeoning area but not how things are done at the minute. If you have principles and the parties in front of us represent broadly the application of common principles to key government decision-points (basically, rule of law, monetary policy, tax & expenditure), then you'd expect the norm to be you stick with the party that best represents your principles. No?

A victory would have had an albeit limited but positive impact on the country. Its still in a state of emergency and suffered its latest act of terrorism about 3 weeks ago so anything positive of note would be welcomed.

He's gone for the easiest option.

That's nice. Its not like hundreds of thousands of people living in the city were emotionally scarred by an event that was intricately linked with the location of the final.