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I'm not latching on to mistakes, I was merely acknowledging his analogy. The point was having net liabilities does not mean you have negative value.

What are or were we worth then?

Boumsong not being worth what we paid for him only proves we are mugs. It has very little to do with assets or liabilities, otherwise by your logic we should have paid someone 16m for them to buy us in 2007.

it is scary how so many of our supporters STILL prefer the club to have aims like the Stokes of this world rather than the Liverpools and Spurs. I have seen those figures before, interesting to see that pretty much the vast majority of the premiership also has huge debt, there should be about 14 clubs going bust soon. Some of these people should read a book called "Why England lose, and other curious football phenomena explained", it may enlighten them as to their idealistic outlook. In particular it shows that despite football being the biggest money loss in the world, only a fraction of clubs go bust. Far from it being instable, it is actually one of the most stable "businesses" that exist. You just have to be mad, and accept you will probably lose money. I can find the stats, but the above is the gist of them. At the end of the day, the people peddling these scare stories are clueless fuckwits who can't bring themselves to admit anything at all good about the old board. Why does this have to be said all the time ? Their heads are up their arse. If our old board were so baaaaaad, how come they attracted all these people back to the club and since eh went, the financial whizz kids that are Ashley and his right hand man, are taking the club into a decline instead of easily arresting this so called shambles of a business and putting us back into the, eeerrr, upper echelons where the "shit" owners had us ? Football clubs go bust, they just dont disappear because all you need is a ball, some strips and 11 lads willing to turn out on a saturday and you have a product. Not many products are that simple to produce.

Undoubtedly Ashley’s mistakes have cost the club (and him) dear. BUT I would consider a significant amount of the increased debt is because of what went before (or what was committed to before) and is resultant from spending above our means. Appreciate the relegation has cost more than staying up would have. Look at the net assets position: 1998 - +£100 Million 1999 - +£55 Million 2000 - +£36 Million 2001 - +£23 Million 2002 - +£36 Million 2003 - +£37 Million 2004 - +£32 Million 2005 - +£28 Million 2006 - +£17 Million 2007 – Minus £16 Million That means in 2007 we had liabilities of £16 Million fucking quid more than the total of ALL our assets. So Ashley paid £135m for a club that was worth minus £16m? he doesn't answer questions like that Because its an impossibly stupid question The club was worth £135m when MA paid £135m for it, funnily enough. 'Value' is a tricky concept tbf.

I'm not surprised given some of your posts in the cooking thread.

And yeah I'm inclined to agree with that. One more win and a draw should be enough. Any more is a bonus. Should be doable. Uh-oh.

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Back at the docs next week to get a higher dose. The young female doctor who was forever wanting to get them out and have a play has left for another surgery, so it's strictly business with the new Indian fella. Yay go for the 20mg a night like me!! What you say brings to mind something a patient said to one of the staff the other day....he was being assisted to have his bath, to be honest he could manage to wash himself ok, but being rather lazy and not one to miss a golden opportunity called out...'Can you wash my balls please!!! It was shouted so loudly that visitors down the corridor heard him Just washed? Gemmill has his in weekly psychotherapy sessions. The good news is that the drugs are keeping him chipper, he's called one Karl and the other Sigmund.

All been said before? I don't know, the revelation that Gemmill was taking anti-depressants for his gonads was pretty original comedy.

Copy and paste job from the previous meeting?

The arsenal match was a 3pm kick off and the best atmosphere for years. Exception to the rule?

Aye, I said "welsh", but the proper term is "Brythonic" as am sure you're aware. And Oppenheimer is a good read, but as with anything else in this filed just well researched opinion. Brian Syke's "Blood of the Isles" is a similar study but reaches slightly different conclusions. I disagree it's well research opinion. The methods are pure and the conclusions robust. That does not make them true but calling it opinion undermines the rigorous scientific method. I've not read Sykes but I just looked at the wiki and it's pretty much exactly what Oppenheimer says, there may be some differences but the main thrust is a rejection of received wisdom on Anglo-Saxon / Norman influences. Thanks for the Sykes reference though, am going to get that and read it. Yeah am not an academic in any way so am sure you're right about the methods of research. Most histories of these islands start around AD43 with the Roman conquest and go from there but as you say, a lot important things which happened genetically were a long time before that. It's fascinating stuff because history is told by the winners but modern science can challenge that. Stevie is right about most of the differences too but they aren't all because of genetics. Has a lot to do with it though.

Aye, I said "welsh", but the proper term is "Brythonic" as am sure you're aware. And Oppenheimer is a good read, but as with anything else in this filed just well researched opinion. Brian Syke's "Blood of the Isles" is a similar study but reaches slightly different conclusions. I disagree it's well research opinion. The methods are pure and the conclusions robust. That does not make them true but calling it opinion undermines the rigorous scientific method. I've not read Sykes but I just looked at the wiki and it's pretty much exactly what Oppenheimer says, there may be some differences but the main thrust is a rejection of received wisdom on Anglo-Saxon / Norman influences. Thanks for the Sykes reference though, am going to get that and read it.

Paddocklad, 'welsh' is Anglo-Saxon for foreigner. The welsh are a a tribe that was pushed back from the east and what became known as danelaw. However, there were other tribes that stayed and welsh which returned. The welsh genetic heritage is not that different to the rest of britian's, according to recent research anyway..

Apart from Portsmouth who are just generic southern charva's, Southampton across to Bournemouth, Weymouth and Bognor Regis are all just farmer types by the coast. I mean look at the state of Mick Channon's accent. However, I've never lived there, so my grouping isn't set in stone, largely speaking I think I'm right about the rest though. Well if you're goingnto get down to it, there are subtle differences anywhere. Got a few mates from Portsmouth and lived with a lad from university from Southampton. Nowt to differentiate themselves from the restof the south. There's fucking millions of charvas in Kent for example. Bristol and south west are different people though, genetically and culturally. I base the genetic differentiation on that Oppenheimer book I must have mentioned on here about 10 times now. You should have a read of it. Google his name plus origin of the British. Kent charva's oh dear. I've worked with half of them. Without sounding crude or disrespectful, the smelliest minge I've ever smelt was from a bird from Chatham, not that I should throw all of Kent into that one basket like, but I've worked with loads of people from Kent they're fuckin complete and utter charva's, and on top of that you've got the tens of thousands of gypsies who live in Kent who don't fuckin help matters. Dartford, Chatham, Swanley, Bexleyeef, Ashford, Ramsgate, Margate, Gillingham OH DEAR. I've read some of the stuff you've posted on genetics and it interests me. I found something on the net a while ago which proved to me that geordies are the master race of the British Isles. We are the tallest people in Britain. Well not just us, from the borders down to the Humber is where Britain's tallest people live, on average 2 inches taller than people on the West side of Britain, it's the Swedish/Danish influence in the NE that's my theory. When I go to Manchester I feel like Nikola Zigic, but here am just relatively tall. you wouldn't throw all of kent into that lass's smelly basket? She must have been hanging. Seen a lass who lived in ashford which was posh but getting the train down there passing through some places, as you say, oh dear. Wor kid is tall but I'm not. Met my nephew yesterday for the first time, as am over in sweden seeing him. He's the only boy out of 4 kids between us. He's got Swedish in him too and honestly he is going to be massive. He's nearly 3 months younger that mine and already bigger.

Aye, it's hard for me to notice with mates and lads from the pub since they all knew plenty about us anyway from me. The Rennes fans I know who love their football followed the Ashely stuff like a soap opera. There is definitely more interest in us but it's hard for me to judge how deep that goes.

Apart from Portsmouth who are just generic southern charva's, Southampton across to Bournemouth, Weymouth and Bognor Regis are all just farmer types by the coast. I mean look at the state of Mick Channon's accent. However, I've never lived there, so my grouping isn't set in stone, largely speaking I think I'm right about the rest though. Well if you're goingnto get down to it, there are subtle differences anywhere. Got a few mates from Portsmouth and lived with a lad from university from Southampton. Nowt to differentiate themselves from the restof the south. There's fucking millions of charvas in Kent for example. Bristol and south west are different people though, genetically and culturally. I base the genetic differentiation on that Oppenheimer book I must have mentioned on here about 10 times now. You should have a read of it. Google his name plus origin of the British.

..and that's why I love physics.

People from Hampshire shouldn't be lumped in with Bristol, who are in with the south west including your dorset and Cornwall lot. Going east there's just londoners and wannabe londoners as you say.

Honestly thought his lass had won a 'best boobs in texas' award.

Not seen Lille play since he was linked with us so cant tell you much about him other than he is well rated in the press.