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Or Owen. Bottled it.

No Guthrie on the bench?

If I grew up on a farm, and was retarded, Bruges might impress me but I didn't, so it doesn't. If you've actually been and haven't being impressed then I can only assume you did grow up on a farm and are retarded. Aye, how can you not like Bruges? I had a nice stay there but ran into trouble at the border after we left, so the trip was spoiled somewhat. Lovely place with a fascinating history.

Nice goading sir. The bloke's a cock and he's talking shite. The fact "He appears frequently on Fox News Channel" says it all. I agree with him Obama is as unpopular as anyone has beem at this point in his presidency, but to make out that it's because of his lefty socialist agenda is Foxtastic madness. It's because he's gone down the middle on all domestic issues and kept making the same mistakes as the right did on foreign policy. This is the problem with his entire presidency, it legitimises atrocious right wing policy as the norm and he refuses to take a stand against any of it. Me? Surely left-wing dissent is fuel to the fire of the fox-tastic right-wingers? What pissed me off more than anything was the idea that the principles of the 'founding fathers' should be followed when dealing with the complexity of allocating healthcare resources. I think the right-wing strategists have played a blinder and by this, i have to assume that Obama would be even more fucked if he had tried to force through a more socialist programme of reform. Calling centrist policy 'socialism' has allowed the right to keep him in the centre. Agree with all of that. Except Obama being more fucked if he'd done anything he promised on the election trail. The left were apopleptic with what Bush did while in power. It didn't stop him doing any of it. Obama got a majority across the board because of his promises to undo what Bush had screwed up. If he strongly pushed through popular policies the right would be giving him more shit, but his massive support from the left wouldn't be abandoning him altogether like they currently are having been sold a pup. The saddest part of it is that he'd motivated a whole new generation to vote. Young people went out to vote for him like they never did for Kerry....and his actions since getting into power would have done more to disenfranchise those voters than anything Bush did. Even when the guy they voted for and believed in won he pussyfooted around and catered to a right wing faction that were never going to show any bipartisan spirit whatsoever. The biggest mistake was trying to push through a leftist-agenda when the country was / is in economic crisis. Unemployment is now at absurd levels in the US and that more than anything is exposing the democrats to severe pressure. In Tim Harford's fantastic book on economics, he produces some astonishing figures about the US economy. I dont have them to hand but since the 70's the US economy has lost something like 300 million jobs. However, in the same time it created something like 320 millions jobs. A testament to the free market. This year, new job creation in the private sector is completely stalled and unemployment is escalating out of control. This is the prime reason for his drop in popularity imo. The fox-tastic right winger and salon-esque liberals are small constituencies in reality. 'Average voter dude' was always the target for his bi-partisan approach, he wanted to carry middle America with him. Unfortunatley, the economic situation has effected so many of them, he has lost approval from many who should have been carried with him.

Nice goading sir. The bloke's a cock and he's talking shite. The fact "He appears frequently on Fox News Channel" says it all. I agree with him Obama is as unpopular as anyone has beem at this point in his presidency, but to make out that it's because of his lefty socialist agenda is Foxtastic madness. It's because he's gone down the middle on all domestic issues and kept making the same mistakes as the right did on foreign policy. This is the problem with his entire presidency, it legitimises atrocious right wing policy as the norm and he refuses to take a stand against any of it. Me? Surely left-wing dissent is fuel to the fire of the fox-tastic right-wingers? What pissed me off more than anything was the idea that the principles of the 'founding fathers' should be followed when dealing with the complexity of allocating healthcare resources. I think the right-wing strategists have played a blinder and by this, i have to assume that Obama would be even more fucked if he had tried to force through a more socialist programme of reform. Calling centrist policy 'socialism' has allowed the right to keep him in the centre.

OK, fair enough. My point was that our politics are intrinsically linked to the psychology of the human condition. Picking up on your point, i think you are right about some religious people being so entrenched in their world view they become unsymapthetic (or even aggressive) towards those who dont share it. Its a by-product of the world view. To be honest though, am not sure we'll get an argument out of this, so i've bumped the Obama thread

Here HF, this article is right up your boulevard. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegard...is-in-meltdown/

Seems a bit harsh.

Fucking hell lads I think the only conclusion that can be drawn is that skysports are a bit rubbish.

Or part of the (mis-)information shenanigans with agents.

Poss starting 11s from Skysports Man Utd: Van der Sar, O'Shea, Vidic, Evans, Fabio, Scholes, Carrick, Park, Valencia, Rooney, Owen. Newcastle: Harper, Perch, Taylor, Coloccini, Gutierrez, Nolan, Barton, Guthrie, Routledge, Carroll, Smith. They have us going for the tried and tested 3-6-1 with, presumably, an injured defender.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...-Leroy-Fer.html?

How so? I agree that it is in Washington where there's no room for ideaology. But there is a strong conservative element and a strong liberal element across the country isn't there? Left/Right ideologies will always exist as long as humans are torn between self-interest and empathy/sympathy for others. Is it a left wing blinkered view that the most self-interested, least sympathetic people are the most religious ones? Do you want to unload your question?

How so? I agree that it is in Washington where there's no room for ideaology. But there is a strong conservative element and a strong liberal element across the country isn't there? Left/Right ideologies will always exist as long as humans are torn between self-interest and empathy/sympathy for others.

Without doubt. If he plays Barton and Guthrie in the middle, with Routledge and Jonas out wide and Nolan supporting Carroll, i wont be complaining. He may opt for Smith to sit in front of the back 4, which will be a mistake imo but we'll see.

TBH they're both critics and as we know, critics know nowt but think the world should listen to "their" opinion. Go see it for yourself and make your own opinion Chez. I am going to try and see it this week. Am back in Paris, mother and baby in the south until the weekend, no chance once they are back. I was just shit-stirring tbh.

I havent seen it yet lads, careful on the spoilers. Tbh, as much as i respect Parky, am going with HF's opinion on this one.

Allocation reduced because of 'persistent standing' wasnt it?

His left leg goes round the front, his trailing leg is bent back and goes behind the standing leg of the defender and he is on the deck. So what happens is that he connects with his groin. So basically groining someone in the foot is now a sending-off offence.

Surely the other way round.

How would you translate bouche-trou out of interest? He isnt there just to make up the numbers? Yeap exactly. Literally: just filling a gap. It reveals a bit about his reasons for wanting to come to us. The implication is that wants to be the main man in the team.

How would you translate bouche-trou out of interest? He isnt there just to make up the numbers?

koscielny is back out so theyve got 2, hes been lucky really "lads in the studio" talking absolute bollocks about coles nature and "to the letter of the law its a sending off" its not because its the letter of the law that coles been sent off, its because it was a fucking shoddy, dangerous tackle Wasnt that bad. yeh, late, two footed, halfway up his shin on his standing leg it was alright i guess It wasnt two footed, it was his trailing leg that gave the arsenal lad a 'bump'.

koscielny is back out so theyve got 2, hes been lucky really "lads in the studio" talking absolute bollocks about coles nature and "to the letter of the law its a sending off" its not because its the letter of the law that coles been sent off, its because it was a fucking shoddy, dangerous tackle Wasnt that bad.

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