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right Leazes lets get sumit straight, this threads gone to shit, I tried to sort it by asking a few simple questions to both you and Renton, he answered them you appear to be ignoring them, either answer the questions or Im locking the thread and people will make of that what they will, my own view will be that you didnt have the bollocks to give some honest answers.

ahem, we seem to be one reply short

Too right, the Ramblers Association would be outraged 149487[/snapback] suddenly it seems a good idea again

you're right of course, it's impossible for people outside the loop to declare what is and is not feasible. what I can say that MI5 and 6 have neither the funding, man power nor inclination to take part in what they would see as police actions. the scum who are blowing themselves, deluded into believing that they do this murderous act in the Name of Allah by some zealot, are small fry. They people that MI5 and 6 should be focussing on (and who I presume they are focussing upon) are the Zarkawis(sp?) and Bin Ladens of the world. pains me to say it, buy Abu Hamza isn't a big fish, sure he's a religious nut who should be deported to whatever hell hole spawned him, but he's not sending misguided men to their deaths. this new FBI style organisation may help catch these men before they commit their atrocities, but time will be the only marker for that. 149457[/snapback] I agree, I probably should have made my post clearer, what I meant was whoever it was that decided it was the target leaving the building should ideally be the one pulling the trigger (if thats possible), from what I remember of the Brazilian case, MI5 had intelligence which was passed on to become a police stake out which then led to the fatal shooting, the person who made the wrong identification was way earlier in the loop than those pulling the trigger.

well for one so clever with his fancy arsed medical degree you'd think you could quote the right person LuckyLuke

Not to kick over a hornets nest, but there's one thing I have to ask in regard to this answer Renton. Is it feasible to expect the person with his finger on the trigger to be entriely certain that the person in his sights is absolutely the right person? Intelligence, such as it is, leaves a lot to be desired and while innocent lives should not be lost, is it actually possible to be a hundred percent certain that you've got the right guy? I agree that simply popping everyone with a beard and a backpack is rediculous, but honestly, it is unimaginably difficult to get sufficient information on a target without them becoming aware and disappearing or, even worse, accelerating whatever plans they have... I think you're shoot to kill but only if you're sure is un-workable in this current clime 149444[/snapback] Its a hard one to debate though isnt it? I agree woth Rentons view that if you're certain the persons guilty then theres no problem in shooting them, in fact Id go as far as saying its possibly the only safe answer, where we went wrong with the Brazilian bloke is that the person who identified him as being the suspect wasnt the one who pulled the trigger, those poor sods were basing their proof on some body elses "evidence" let MI5 do the whole thing, gain the evidence, follow the suspect and pull the trigger if need be, maybe that would solve it?

friggin hell have you two been out together? no sign of either of you then suddenly you both appear at well after midnight to post? strange...... Anyone ever seen Renton and Leazes together? tell ye theyre one and the same.

Over to you LM.... oh and if anyone wants to disagree with any answer given by either of our lovely contestants then I expect to see a clear concise link to a previous post where they've contradicted it otherwise piss off cos I for one cant be arsed to go trawling to hunt out the truth

anyways, I got distracted, my punch list Jimbo's minus Ramsey (the mans a god) and Henman, I cant hate him (hes a shite tennis player but otherwise harmless). add to that little collection the following and Im a happy bunny: that dodgy looking old fat bloke that does the ITV quiz thing on a night time, anyone who feels the need to burst into song. that old twat whos pictured giving flowers to the queen every time she does a walkabout (including today), more proof that pensions are too high. oh and that twat that does the "chat show" at 5pm on Ch4

while we're on the subject of BBBM, why the feck is that lass wearing her green nightie over a black top n black trousers?

In the three or so years you've posted on here i've never understood a word. Please elaborate. 149391[/snapback] well if you'd just seen the first 30 seconds of Big Brothers Big Mouth then you'd know, hes just jumped up the ladder a fair few places. He thinks hes Eddie Izzard however hes got fuck all in common with the great Mr Izz.

well I for one think that this thread has ended up in a total bitch fest, heres the points I took from it......(I dont necessarily agree with the points, its just what stands out as having been said) if people wish to get it back on track then feel free to post corrections to these thoughts or answer the questions raised. 1. Leazes posts the story of the terrorist raids and has the view that one way to reduce the chances of further terrorism on these shores is to stop any future immigration. 2. Renton disagrees with this view, pointing out that it appears the men arrested were British. 3. Renton calls LM Enoch Powell 4. LM retorts calling Renton Chemical/ Comical Ali. 5. LM questions the authenticity of reading about an historic figure. 6. Renton states Enoch was LMs mate. 7. Renton gives up 8. LM uses the words "left wing dogooder" for the 7th time in 3 pages 9. Renton gives up "again" I was going to document the whole thread on this basis as a chance to show that it was 6 of one, half a dozen of another however on reviewing the first 3 pages I see that not once has Renton mentioned his qualifications, not once has he advocated soft left wing options rather than sorting the problem out. I also see that LM, you are unable to use the edit function to correct a very bad mix up with the Chemical/ Comical Ali's which did make you look stupid. You also have refused to answer any question put forward by Renton no matter how many times hes asked them, he however answered your questions numerous times (he also said he was leaving numerous times ) The thread then degenerated into ridiculous name calling and wankness (mostly Im sorry to say on your behalf LM). So lets solve this once and for all, here is a list of questions for two members to answer Renton and Leazes, I dont want answers from anyone else but I would hope to see all of them answered by those two even if its just to say "i dont know" All questions should be answered by both people and honestly. 1. Do you support the BNP? 2. Are you a member of the communist party? 3. What newspaper do you read? 4. Who in your view constitutes a threat? All muslims, British muslims, immigrants, other (please specify). 5. What punishment should be given to suicide bombers? 6. Should we have a shoot to kill policy? 7. Innocent til proven guilty or guilty til proven innocent? 8. Terrorists should be given community service and a cup of tea. Agree? 9. The hijackers that were allowed to stay, good or bad? I think that should answer the outstanding issues, these are all questions raised but never answered or accusations made without source from both sides. Now whos man enough to answer them. Oh and respect is due Leazes for not going back and editing the Chemical Ali bit

should know I dont like it hard (the ice cream that is)

should get me a 99 as it'll be the first thing ive eaten in 3 days.

Suggest you look at Bridgets and PL's posts that I agreed with PP. They prove I read posts. When they talk sense, they get a sensible reply. 149259[/snapback] That answer proves my point though, all you've done there is refer to to two posts where you replied sensibly to a post you agreed with, what Im saying is you appear to skim, see theyre not backing you up (regardless of what stance they are taking) and automatically spout the abuse, NOTHING in any post of SLPs has he taken a left wing stance but he got the abuse thrown his way. 149270[/snapback] PP, if he calls me a "racialist" .... am I not entitled to call him back ? And - he is the one who said "there is no middle ground", so he's either a "right wing racialist" or a "left wing do gooder". He implied it himself. If YOU read the post properly mate, you'll see that. If I thought for a moment he was up for a proper debate, I would have replied that there is of course middle ground, there is always middle ground in any view. 149277[/snapback] If its justified then yes, course you can however you would have had to had a total humour bypass to have read that post as anything other than a pisstake. For fucks sake he ends it with "all hail emperor Meenzer" or sumit.

Suggest you look at Bridgets and PL's posts that I agreed with PP. They prove I read posts. When they talk sense, they get a sensible reply. 149259[/snapback] That answer proves my point though, all you've done there is refer to to two posts where you replied sensibly to a post you agreed with, what Im saying is you appear to skim, see theyre not backing you up (regardless of what stance they are taking) and automatically spout the abuse, NOTHING in any post of SLPs has he taken a left wing stance but he got the abuse thrown his way.

What it does prove though is that Leazes doesnt read a fucking word that is written by anyone else, if it doesnt say "I agree with Leazes" at the start then he skips it, either that or he needs a refund on the speed reading course he bought! As you've already pointed out SLP has (as he always does) took the piss out of all sides throughout this and every other thread, not once put forward a left wing view yet what is LM called him? oh aye a "deluded, appeasing, left wing cunt" and to top it off uses the most blatant misuse of a smilie ever tbh

Daley Thompson was white as a KKK gown freshly washed with Daz on the speccy. Only posh kids had C64s. 149173[/snapback] I was gonna get a Spectrum then me fancy talking lecturer talked me into getting a C64, never looked back tbh, then again I had the VIC20 before that, ahhh Blitz and Blue Meenies.

Ive set up my Samsung V25 laptop as I was going to WiFi the place but for some reason the laptop goes into standby after about ten minutes (even though Im using it at the time), Ive checked the power options and set them all to never go into standby mode but its made no difference. Anyone?

What the fuck is a larder? The laundry room is a room twelve floors below me where I share 10 washing machines with 205 other apartments... 148765[/snapback] I've now got pictures of you getting into the laundry room and finding it full, sweet old Mrs Muggles from apartment 236b says "is that all you've got love? give me them here and I'll put em in with my stu....eeeeuuurgghhh ye dirty little bastard!"

None of you know what its like in the intelligence services, always having to be on your guard, living your life pretending your a quiet civil servant doing a project kinda job. Little do you know that we are always working, protecting this country. I tell you its not easy being a spy for MI5, sometimes I think I should just go do a different job. Oh fucking hell, thats me failed covert ops on the annual assesment 146731[/snapback] Can't believe people are sitting back and accepting we are going to get bombed again, and are prepared to let suspects get on with doing it. Amazing. 146736[/snapback] Not sure why you quoted me there? was it because I felt that humour was appropriate? EDIT: On rereading it, I think you were having a laugh along so apologies. Personally, I dont think anyone (not even the REAL sandalistas) are happy to sit back and let us be bombed, I think however theres an inevitability about it, no matter what our security services do it will never be enough, pile as much money in as possible and it still wouldnt solve the problem. Another bomb will go off in Britain its as simple as that, after that one there will be another and then another, we will never be safe. However joking aside, I dont let that stop me going to work in a place thats allegedly on Al Qaedas top 10 mainland civilian targets. It doesnt stop me going to the pub even though they are allgedlyt targets and it sure as hell wont stop me joking about it. Stiff British lip and all that. My disagreement (and I feel that of many people on here) with you isnt in the fact that things need to be done its your view (which you're more than entitled to, and is understandable) of the solution. As has been said far better by others such as Renton and LP is that stopping immigration will not solve the problem, if anything it will exasperate it, putting a blanket ban on Muslims entering this country will turn this into a holy war, it will become Christian versus Muslim and the many millions of muslims already here will be outraged which in turn will flip those who were already on the fence onto the side of Al'Qaeda. The 7/7 bombers were not immigrants they were British citizens, as said before some of them didnt look middle eastern they were carribean. Richard Reid the shoe bomber wasnt Iraqi or Saudi he was British, white english mother and Jamaican father so how do you stop him and the many thousands like him? The only way is to rely on intelligence and as each one is caught then the rest become cleverer they dont make the same mistakes. These terrorists are ingenious and know how to get around the security. Do you know how the 7/7 bombers communicated? it was email but so simple yet secure that it couldnt be traced, what they did was have one Yahoo account which they all knew the password for then worte emails and saved them as drafts therefore they never went anywhere, never passed through GCHQ. Never triggered any keyword searches as they were never spoken or transmitted. This is just the tip of the iceberg, if they dont make mistakes then nobody becomes suspicious and therefore never end up on the security services radar. Its an impossible task, yes I agree you dont pander to their demands and dont put "namby pamby" sentences in but at the same time you sure as hell dont do something as stupid as label the entire muslim religion as being terrorists.

None of you know what its like in the intelligence services, always having to be on your guard, living your life pretending your a quiet civil servant doing a project kinda job. Little do you know that we are always working, protecting this country. I tell you its not easy being a spy for MI5, sometimes I think I should just go do a different job. Oh fucking hell, thats me failed covert ops on the annual assesment

well at least my house actually exists on local.live, not even built yet on google earth. http://local.live.com/?v=2&sp=aN.t4v9ssgw07c5_Pud

I saw two shooting stars last night, I wished on them but they were only satellites, its wrong to wish on Space hardware, I wish I wish I wish you'd care.

I was watching the film version of the musical RENT which Im amazed to say I actually was enjoying then the DVD screwed up