peasepud

But are you saying then that if we had a black player who totally immersed himself in their black culture so that there was nothing you could refer to which wasnt in some way related to the colour of their skin then that player should be immune from criticism for fear of sounding racist regardless of how poorly they performed or handled themselves off the pitch?

Well thats another argument altogether but one worth pursuing, if a term is acceptable in the community its referring to then why cant other races use that term? Personally I always think its a terrible word which can only be a put down but if its used widely in the black community then can it be racist? I dont know

Cant agree peasepud Bling, as you have read, is intrinsically linked to black music and culture Bling bastard is thus not 'diamond wearing bastard' is it? I will let you work it out. Do a search on Newcastle forums for bling. See the association. We dont get that analogy or similar used with our white players. That is the point Personally, I am certain that black players (like most balck employees) have more to prove than their white equivalent. I will keep pointing that out at work, union meetings and here until its a level playing field. That is the point. 48762[/snapback] But the point that many people on here are making is that the use of the bling put down is nothing to do with the colour of the skin or the origins of the word its to do with the actual bling, the fact that not many of the white players wear the bling is the reason why they dont get called for it. I'd be interested to get some views from black fans however we dont know who they are on here because surprise surprise we've never bothered to ask the question for one simple reason, its irrelevant to any discussions we have. Regardless of your own personal view I think you'll find that overall the extremely vast majority of Newcastle fans couldnt give a rats arse what colour the player is.

also can we edit the quotes before posting? its doing me heed in scrolling through ream after ream of quotes to see one line of reply.

Im sorry but this is a farce of an argument. Can I ask where the bling bastard argument appeared because this is the first time Ive ever heard it mentioned either here, the pub or SJP. The fact that bling is linked to black music is irrelevant, are we saying that if someone made the same comment about Beckham (because lets face it hes bling) then they would be racist? All this backs up my original point, those that seek out racism in any comment against a black person are acknowledging that they personally see that person as different. If people have used the bling put down against Baba then its because of that, the fact that he is bling not because hes black, thats not racist, bling is something thats across all colours and creed. And can we stop the personal attacks, if someone disagrees with your view then put back a valid argument rather than resort to abuse (and thats for everyone not just those disagreeing with my views).

Sometimes I get the feeling that the main people who dont treat a person equally are those that highlight the "problem". To list half a dozen black players and say that they are receiving abuse because of their skin colour means that you yourself see them differently to other players. Every one of those players listed gets abuse because of the way in which they play and/or project themselves outside the game not because of the colour of their skin, I can honestly say that I dont even think about the skin colour in any views I have on a player, I havent excused things done by the likes of Bowyer, Bellamy, Robert, Butt and Butt again purely because he deserves to be listed twice because they're white. In the same way as I havent called a player because hes black. If they do well they get credit regardless of skin colour, sexual preference or anything else. Same goes for if they're shite or acting like arseholes, they'll get slagged off, white, black, asian or even Australian. Football fans get a bad press sometimes, if theres 50,000 people in a small enclosed space and you hear one racist taunt that doesnt make footballers racist just the same as hearing someone say something at work doesnt make the company racist.

Jeezus fookin Christ on a bloody big bike. What you saying now? that all Toon fans are racist? if you're going to post shite like that why not do it under the pseudonym you normally use for that stuff?

well done mate, hope all are fine.... Finlay????

Care to elaborate?! 46503[/snapback] Certain features of Frontpage only work if your hosting company have included the Frontpage extensions on the server. Things such as Forms Processing (designing a forms fine but if you use the inbuilt processing stuff then you could have problems), hit counter, database stuff etc. If its a straight-forward, heres me, heres what I do, look at the pretty pictures etc site then there shouldnt be any problems.

Aye, till you upload to it your webspace and find it doesnt work.

people who drive average cars and think that the age of the car has some relevance to its speed/ quality. nobs

shouldn't have had the yellow bean sauce

If you go into Control Panel>Modems theres a Diagnostics tab click the button in there to test the modem.

Definitely, have as many go's as you can however Freeserve may use a generated password, I dont know. Has he checked his old emails on Yahoo (assuming its the one used when creating the account) to see if he received an email from them confirming the log in details? Setting up a new Freeserve PAYG account isnt a problem, you can technically set up as many as you like and dont need to inform them as by taking Pay as you go you didnt enter into any contract with them. Personally, I would set one up under a different host though (try the likes of Virgin) this will ensure that all settings are reloaded from new etc rather than take a chance on whichever file is causing the problems being used in the new installation. Ideally I would uninstall Freeserve fully before installing a new ISP. Im not sure what you mean by this, can you clarify it? Are you saying that when someone sends an email to say, his freeserve address its being redirected to the yahoo email? or is it just that when he opens Outlook the one thats displayed is the yahoo one? (saying that is Yahoo available through POP3?). Its straight forward enough to change the profiles in Outlook (ie Tools>Accounts then highlight the one you want and Click the "Set as Default" button). If you have the time to do it then set up Outlook to move each of the accounts he has into different folders so you can easily see whats received from each account and dont have to hassle on with it. And as you're not connecting on a LAN then I would try unticking the LAN box.

Because it's a cry for help you mong 41411[/snapback] yup that pretty much covers it like.

Nah, Id checked all those type things and did a restart. Today I've got up opened firefox and the bookmarks Id reset up were still there however its decided to change me home page back to the Google search.

When I got up this morning all of my bookmarks have mysteriously disappeared from Firefox, not one there its like a fresh new install. Anyone any ideas why? tried Virus checking...nowt hmmm

Firewall type stuff - PrevX http://www.prevx.com

Right folks, Im willing to be treasurer.....lets get on it At current conversion rates that works out at about what £4.75? oooooh kickass!

Does it? I thought it was "Heeeeemersexual."

aye it just werent the same after some cocky fooker invented the keyboard was it? Heres some nostalgia for ya Rob...oh how I hark for the ease and simplicity of punching a hole in a predetermined position to store your code

God I loved DataEase, it was fantastic.

Not quite the usual excel request, Rob? 34337[/snapback] It was the idea that anyone wouldlike ACCESS toTBH 34635[/snapback] Hoo man! Im a child of the Windows generation, started out teaching myself DataEase and then automatically moved on at work into Access not out of choice but necessity. I dont have any problems with it and find that to do a quick dbase its ideal, drag and drop query design etc. Basically Im a lazy shite and cant be arsed to type all that SQL malarky.

sounds like a canny plan, I'll have a fiddle about.