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I'm guessing this thread would go on for pages if I questioned how you can have this attitude towards Dyer but a totally different one towards a player that attacked the first team coach and allegedly racially abused a bouncer at a nightclub? 67289[/snapback] What Bellamy has done is nothing compared to Dyer, and Bellamy also performed on the pitch where it counts. The only thing Bellamy has done is call the manager, whereas Dyer disgraced the symbol of the clubs captaincy. So, you are right. It could go on for ages.

80k a week for a little arsehole who treated the captains armband like it was a piece of dogshit. Thought is also he could donate a small part of that to build a bog in the doorway he pissed in. No sympathy whatsoever, the sooner he f*cks off and takes his manager who thinks the sun shines out of his arse with him the better off we will be.

Can't quite get my head around the reason for this attack, but I'm only saying I don't think he will be good enough, and no I don't think there is anything wrong at all with making a quick decision about a footballer. See above. My opinion is it is very easy to call the shots with hindsight, and those who knock Shepherd are doing just that, using hindsight. The VAST MAJORITY of Newcastle supporters backed these appointments, if however you didn't, well done for commendable vision. Now, THAT is a sweeping statement if ever I saw one. I notice not one person, has taken up my suggestion of listing the premiership chairman who look after their clubs and back their managers better than Shepherd. Not one, including you. If you are going to say he is so crap, that should be a fairly easy task. The fact that you can't, puts him among the better ones, despite his faults. Now THAT is all I have ever stated, nothing more nothing less. Is that CLEAR ? 67092[/snapback] I'm not taking credit for not being happy about the appointments of Dalgleish & Gullit because i'm not due any, i wasn't old enough to know the 1st thing about them. I don't know much about other Chairman and even then a comparison is irrelevant to me, but to try and help the debate: Abromavich Kenyon (I think he was Manure's chairman) Gibson The Wigan fella Rick Parry Dein (Arsenal?) Walker (When alive) 67103[/snapback] Take out Walker [because he's gone], and Kenyon [as he's at Chelsea now with Abramovic and was manu's chief executive [which we dont' have, and would benefit from having] and I'd pretty much go along with that. So if you look at it, it puts Shepherd in the top 3rd, with many others worse. Not so bad, is it. I know he has faults, he opens his fat gob, and says stupid things, overall though if the team was winning not a single one of us would give a toss about any of this. His football knowledge isn't as good as some of us on here, but he's still backed his managers massively, I just want him to get lucky and choose the right manager next time, because he'll be given the same support as the others. Thats all I've ever said. Along with the fact that we could do a lot, lot worse, which we could, take a look at other clubs ie Everton, Leeds who campaigned for a new chairman and they are no better off at all in fact worse. Throw in the likes of Villa, Mackems, West Ham, Portsmouth - those clubs would kill to have a chairman like Shepherd. Even Birmingham and Fulham have chairmen far richer than Shepherd but they don;t back their manager in the same way. 67107[/snapback] But surely a chairman can only give to the manager whatever disposable income the club makes? NUFC is fairly wealthy club and so has a decent transfer budget. If Doug Ellis had our resources wouldn't he make the same amount of money available? If FS is directly responsible for us being wealthy then i commend him, but to allow Dalgleish to spend through the summer and then sack him? Same as Gullit, same as SBR. Surely for him then to allow Souness to spend as much as he has is a little frightening. I can't see Souness lasting beyond the summer, if we get someone other than Shearer, won't they want their 'own team'? How bad are our accounts gonna be with this outlay and NO chance of a top 4 finish with this monkey in charge? I WANT Souness to be very successful here, i WANT FS to retire a very happy man with NUFC winning trophies under his leadership. The fact people say FS has no football knowledge is damning, how can you run a business when you don't know the industry? When you can't make good judgements over critical appointments? I'm pessimistic but i hope to be proved very, very wrong so we can all come on here and try and out do each other for superlatives that describe our play rather than argue with each other 'cause we're shite and we know we are. 67137[/snapback] Newcastle United haven't always been a wealthy club, but they have always been a potentially wealthy club. 30 years of decay and mackem standard status in the game, previous to 1992, proves the point we were competing on a similar level, almost, as the mackems. During that period, Aston Villa won the League Cup, League title and the European Cup. They were bigger than us, although not potentially. We are wealthy now, because the club under Sir John Hall, on the back of getting the manager right, incorporated new ideas and fresh ambition, while Villa under Doug Ellis have stagnated due to him lacking this ambition. Simple as that really. Some chairman are afraid to speculate to accumulate, even some of those at big clubs, since 1992 we haven't been afraid to do that, thus capitilising on our support. It's easy to say that previous to 1992 we could have competed at the same level we do now, because that support has alwasy been there waiting to be tapped, but we just didn't, because we had pygmy directors like Ellis and Bob Murray. No one doubts that Shepherd sacked Dalglish at a stupid time, having given him cash to spend, I totally agree. The same with Gullitt [but then again I was never happy with Gullit], the same as Bobby Robson. Having said that, no one cared about the timing of Gullitts sacking because he got the right man to replace him, this is what is important, getting the right man, if you do that there is no such thing as bad timing. The only thing in Shepherds defence is that he gave Dalglish money hoping something would change, then when it was obvious nothing would, he acted. Same as the other managers. Unfortunately, he isn't repeating this process with the current clown. I think Shepherd knows how to run a football club alright, he just has tunnel vision when it comes to choosing managers. All of them appointed for short term reactionary reasons. We can't get rid of him, I just hope he gets the next one right, he may find that if he gets it wrong again, he would come under more pressure, even people like me who support him for the reasons stated may run out of patience with him for not listening to those of us who know better than he does.

Can't quite get my head around the reason for this attack, but I'm only saying I don't think he will be good enough, and no I don't think there is anything wrong at all with making a quick decision about a footballer. See above. My opinion is it is very easy to call the shots with hindsight, and those who knock Shepherd are doing just that, using hindsight. The VAST MAJORITY of Newcastle supporters backed these appointments, if however you didn't, well done for commendable vision. Now, THAT is a sweeping statement if ever I saw one. I notice not one person, has taken up my suggestion of listing the premiership chairman who look after their clubs and back their managers better than Shepherd. Not one, including you. If you are going to say he is so crap, that should be a fairly easy task. The fact that you can't, puts him among the better ones, despite his faults. Now THAT is all I have ever stated, nothing more nothing less. Is that CLEAR ? 67092[/snapback] I'm not taking credit for not being happy about the appointments of Dalgleish & Gullit because i'm not due any, i wasn't old enough to know the 1st thing about them. I don't know much about other Chairman and even then a comparison is irrelevant to me, but to try and help the debate: Abromavich Kenyon (I think he was Manure's chairman) Gibson The Wigan fella Rick Parry Dein (Arsenal?) Walker (When alive) 67103[/snapback] Take out Walker [because he's gone], and Kenyon [as he's at Chelsea now with Abramovic and was manu's chief executive [which we dont' have, and would benefit from having] and I'd pretty much go along with that. So if you look at it, it puts Shepherd in the top 3rd, with many others worse. Not so bad, is it. I know he has faults, he opens his fat gob, and says stupid things, overall though if the team was winning not a single one of us would give a toss about any of this. His football knowledge isn't as good as some of us on here, but he's still backed his managers massively, I just want him to get lucky and choose the right manager next time, because he'll be given the same support as the others. Thats all I've ever said. Along with the fact that we could do a lot, lot worse, which we could, take a look at other clubs ie Everton, Leeds who campaigned for a new chairman and they are no better off at all in fact worse. Throw in the likes of Villa, Mackems, West Ham, Portsmouth - those clubs would kill to have a chairman like Shepherd. Even Birmingham and Fulham have chairmen far richer than Shepherd but they don;t back their manager in the same way.

Can't quite get my head around the reason for this attack, but I'm only saying I don't think he will be good enough, and no I don't think there is anything wrong at all with making a quick decision about a footballer. See above. My opinion is it is very easy to call the shots with hindsight, and those who knock Shepherd are doing just that, using hindsight. The VAST MAJORITY of Newcastle supporters backed these appointments, if however you didn't, well done for commendable vision. Now, THAT is a sweeping statement if ever I saw one. I notice not one person, has taken up my suggestion of listing the premiership chairman who look after their clubs and back their managers better than Shepherd. Not one, including you. If you are going to say he is so crap, that should be a fairly easy task. The fact that you can't, puts him among the better ones, despite his faults. Now THAT is all I have ever stated, nothing more nothing less. Is that CLEAR ?

This coming from the man who has more or less admitted that he thought Dalglish would do a lot better than he did? Wait and see, make your judgement after he's played regularly and 100% fit. 66931[/snapback] It's made mate, he'll be gone in less than 2 years for half what we paid for him, at the most 66935[/snapback] Perhaps he will. I seriously don't know, but I'm willing to give him a crack at it, which is more than what you appear to be doing. He plays for Newcastle United - he gets my full support.. 66980[/snapback] why do you think he doesn't get mine ? Just because I don't think he's good enough, or will be good enough. What is wrong with that ? What you are really saying, is that because someone plays for Newcastle, you have to say you think they must be a good player ....

This coming from the man who has more or less admitted that he thought Dalglish would do a lot better than he did? Wait and see, make your judgement after he's played regularly and 100% fit. 66931[/snapback] It's made mate, he'll be gone in less than 2 years for half what we paid for him, at the most

An interesting observation, conclusive proof if any were needed how pointless these mind numbing statistical polls are.

no, but in a "league table" of chairman .......... especially if it contains other current premiershp ones, which is my whole point ........ 66909[/snapback] So the quality of our chairman needs to be measured against the other chairman in the Premiership rather than actually stating whether he's actually good enough for us or not, does it?? Why does everything have to be a comparison to you LM? You always come out with things like "Luque not as good as Robert" or "Souness not as good as Robson". I prefer the following: * Souness is not good enough * Shepherd is not good enough 66924[/snapback] Of course its a comparison, of sorts. Thats what competition in football is all about. Luque won't do as well as Bellamy, of that I have no doubt whatsover, therefore it's a bad move and money down the plughole.

cheers PP.......I have a feeling I may have to persuade him to change IsP's here, not that he should give a toss if he's not using it much....but you know how hard it can be persuading older people to change their ways !!! I'm sure he'll trust me to to it properly, but we'll see !

no, but in a "league table" of chairman .......... especially if it contains other current premiershp ones, which is my whole point ........

Agree, I've always thought he was canny. Buying manu cast offs isn't the way to catch them but as you say, a player who improves what you already have is a good step, providing the fee is right, because we have to start getting that right, with buys and sales.

waste of time - you never read what I write You just parrot on for days "answer me question" I have better things to do TBH 66792[/snapback] ........ like starting threads like this ..... Only "parrot on" because you don't answer, typical do-gooder doing a runner and bleating on about "rights" when they know their replies are unrealistic nonsense

You mean the Glenn Hoddle who actually replaced Ardiles at Swindon rather than follow him? http://www.soccerbase.com/manager_history.sd?teamid=2519 66783[/snapback] unlike some, can admit I was wrong/got it the wrong way round .... I meant to say Lou Macari's team After not being promoted to the premiership ref the betting thing after beating the mackems, Swindon, under Ardiles, dived down the league faster than Blackburn did under Souness, they were about 4th bottom of the old 2nd division ........ and George Forbes in his wisdom decided he was good enough for Newcastle.... And you criticise Shepherd

yesterday was a good performance, against an Arsenal side who are also not the team they were a short while ago. It is however no different to some of the cup games last year ie Chelsea, Spurs and Olympiakos. It's only one game, we all know one game changes nothing. Having said that, it went cap in hand with Alan Shearer playing like the Shearer of old, a significant factor, it reminds you how great he was, and how our fortunes have been linked over the years to his fitness and now, his age.

Strange, I would have thought that appointing managers, and buying players too if you like, was slightly dependent on their track record .... Unless you think we should just go and appoint the first conference standard manager that comes along, like we did with Souness 66387[/snapback] Indeed it is dependent of sorts on the track record. I never said it wasn't.... What I said is, just because a manager is a success in one job, doesn't mean he's going to be in the next one and vice versa. In my youth I thought Ardiles was going to be the answer to our prayers and therefore be a 'good choice'. Ever since then, I've decided to reserve judgement on whether it's a good appointment or not until I've seen evidence to prove so. 66760[/snapback] the obvious variation on this stance, being that someone who has been a success somewhere else is more likely to be a success here, and vice versa. Question being therefore, who considered Souness to have had a successful managerial career ? Not me, not good enough for us anyway. Unfortunately, I never wanted Ardiles either, I thought he was a total naive idiot right from the start, he only got promoted with Hoddles team at Swindon. As for the next manager, we are all eyeing the same contenders and they could all turn out very well, but somewhere in this country too there is a manager waiting for the opportunity to manage a club like us that could match them, the question is, who ?

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freeserve/wanadoo Disks. Does anyone know where you can get such things now, its for my neighbour.

I don't recall ever saying if you join the police you should expect to be shot at, but you have to accept the risk. In truth, medical staff are at risk of assault by drunks and smack heads, fireman have things lobbed at them, people working in shops etc are abused. That's the reality of the situation. 36 policeman killed in 20 years is less than two a year, and this includes car crashes etc. Whilst in an ideal world it would be none, this actually strikes me as a pretty low rate, and, although its just a guess, I bet more people have been killed by the police or have died in their custody over this period. I wonder how many police are killed in the states btw? 66733[/snapback] No, the police aren't perfect, nor are they above the law. And yes, they know the risks. Medical staff in hospitals etc are also victims of abuse by members of the public, true, so are bus drivers, train inspectors etc, lots of people are. The difference is I don't doubt for a moment that when someone is shot by a copper, the decision isn't taken lightly, coppers who are armed are armed for a reason, they will also be of a certain type of character that would take their status seriously, the taking of a human life is a serious thing, and they do it because it's the outcome of a serious situation which is evaluated and has to be weighed up quickly, in a split second sometimes. At the end of the day, if you don't poke the fire you won't get burned.

I see you can't answer the questions again

so what is your suggestion for avoiding collateral damage, other than giving the criminal with the gun more opportunity ?

like the poor sod shot for carrying a chair leg? HE KNEW he had a chair leg - the coppers thought it "might" be a gun he's dead - they're alive and drawing their pensions 66454[/snapback] complete bollocks 66458[/snapback] what is bollocks? that an innocent man carrying a chair leg was shot dead? That the police got off without a charge??? 66654[/snapback] bollocks that you are trying to paint the police as trigger happy mobsters. Fact is, if the guy was stupid enough to not heed their warning, and raise something that looked like a gun, there's no grounds for anyone to complain. In that situation, you would shoot first rather than be shot yourself, and you know it. Have you forgotten that dead lady copper from 2 weeks ago already ? Or are you one of these anti police people ? Shame she didn't have a gun, if she had been able to deservedly blow their heads off first, her kids would still have their mother. And one of them is an asylum seeker.....no doubt the likes of you will be saying he should be allowed to stay in the UK after "doing his time"... We should drop the bastard out of an aeroplane in the middle of the Atlantic, after shooting him in the balls for what he did, then ask who else fancies a bit of the same 66682[/snapback] Regards the police women who was killed, tragic though it was, wasn't she the first in over 20 years? I would say that was a pretty good reason NOT to arm the police, if they were routinely armed, there would almost certainly be more gun related fatalities amongst criminals AND police. Then there's the little fact that the majority of police don't want to be armed.... We all know the police have a difficult job Leazes, but they signed up for it. The problem is, you seem to think they should be above the law. 66708[/snapback] The law doesn't protect them enough, thats the point. Saying they "sign up for it" isn't true, or didn't used to be true, if you join the Army you do but not the police. Bit of a strong comment to say that if you join the police you should expect to be shot at and not expect the law to offer you reasonable protection. As for first one in 20 years, not quite, since Yvonne Fletcher, there has been quite a few, Keith Blakelock to name one, I can't remember the names, wasn't there one in York a few years ago .... however according to Rob, Winston Sillcot etc have "done their time" blah blah such shitbags should rot in a cell and be made to wipe their arse with a rusty nail for the rest of their days. Even one copper shot in the line of duty, is one too many. Anyway, the point raised by Rob is a no-no. If a bloke is stupid enough to do what he did, there's no question he lays himself open to it. And no, I'm not saying all police should be armed, just that if someone is shot in the line of their duty for being a threat or a potential threat, it shouldn't be questioned. Those SAS guys who shot those Irish scumbags in Gib ended up in court explaining their actions. What a fecking disgrace, what a joke. We should have told the human rights brigade/European Court etc to piss off. The police shooting someone to preserve public safety is exactly the same thing. EDIT 36 coppers in total http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4451852.stm

That perfectly describes Souness, you contrary twat! I don't like Wenger's after match comments, but then I don't like most managers. However, I totally respect what he has done as a manager. Arsenal can play some breath-taking football at times, almost reminiscent of Keegan's finest team. OK, they are a bit shit at the moment, but they will be back under Wenger. And unlike Ferguson or Mourinho, he's done it without breaking the bank. 66663[/snapback] one of the best managers in World Football. If he came into Newcastle to replace Souness, I think we would see a few of those u-turns which are quite popular around here

like the poor sod shot for carrying a chair leg? HE KNEW he had a chair leg - the coppers thought it "might" be a gun he's dead - they're alive and drawing their pensions 66454[/snapback] complete bollocks 66458[/snapback] what is bollocks? that an innocent man carrying a chair leg was shot dead? That the police got off without a charge??? 66654[/snapback] bollocks that you are trying to paint the police as trigger happy mobsters. Fact is, if the guy was stupid enough to not heed their warning, and raise something that looked like a gun, there's no grounds for anyone to complain. In that situation, you would shoot first rather than be shot yourself, and you know it. Have you forgotten that dead lady copper from 2 weeks ago already ? Or are you one of these anti police people ? Shame she didn't have a gun, if she had been able to deservedly blow their heads off first, her kids would still have their mother. And one of them is an asylum seeker.....no doubt the likes of you will be saying he should be allowed to stay in the UK after "doing his time"... We should drop the bastard out of an aeroplane in the middle of the Atlantic, after shooting him in the balls for what he did, then ask who else fancies a bit of the same

all a bit wishy washy isnt it, poor bloke. then again, innocent people get shot by police in america all the time and nowt more gets said! 66485[/snapback] shame they didn't shoot the 9/11 mob then eh, I hope they aren't allowing the pc do gooder brigade to interfere over there too ....