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in that case, can we take into account Milner, Given, Bassong, Nolan, N'Zogbia, Enrique [first few names off the top of my head]. I thought the point of selling Carroll was because it was "good business", and don't big progressive clubs back their managers, especially one that is - or was - 14th highest turnover in football ? Quite what exactly "good business" meant, if the manager has finally replaced Andy Carroll with 7m quid or so of this 35m quid, where is the rest being spent to improve the team, if we accept that Cabaye was a replacement for Nolan, and nobody as yet has replaced Barton either ? It looks like good business for Mike Ashley, or wherever the money has been siphoned off, maybe Sports Direct or the gambling casinos, I don't know. You're not one of the dumbo's on here, you understand perfectly well the difference between build, improve and back your manager rather than operating a sell and replace policy, which is what the club is doing. This is the reason why temporary improvement, if at all, is down to astute judgement by the manager and the squad overall is not good enough or big enough. There is no reason whatsoever that N'Zogbia, Bassong, Enrique, Nolan, Barton and even Carroll despite the fee, given what we have spent since he left, could not all still have been here, and we would have had a much bigger and stronger squad of players. As soon as the astute manager goes, so does the miracle working under these conditions, because that is exactly what it is. The club is a selling club again, like it was under the McKeags, Seymours etc, anybody who doesn't see this is an idiot.

In years to come we'll be comparing new signings with the current team and saying how much better the new lot are compared to.....Simpson, Williamson, Ryan Taylor, Guthrie, Obertan, Best, Lovenkrands, Sammy, Perch, Smith, etc. that little lot is more representive of the clubs transfer policy than cherry picking the few successes, who will be moved on anyway, as we both know. The rest of the premiership must be shitting themselves. Head over to Rawk, and you'll notice that they actually are...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ8N6FpulCg&feature=fvst

In years to come we'll be comparing new signings with the current team and saying how much better the new lot are compared to.....Simpson, Williamson, Ryan Taylor, Guthrie, Obertan, Best, Lovenkrands, Sammy, Perch, Smith, etc. that little lot is more representive of the clubs transfer policy than cherry picking the few successes, who will be moved on anyway, as we both know. The rest of the premiership must be shitting themselves.

class singer, class song. Anyway, if you like folk music, or Scottish folk, listen to this.

all the tech help sites say you shouldn't run 2 anti virus checkers. I run Avast [anti virus], Malwarebytes [anti malware] and that is all, apart from the Windows progs prob including Defender.

fair point, but you should address the reason why they want to leave ? Agreed ? Players leave for two basic reasons. More money and/or a better chance of success. I think we seem to have a good team spirit at the moment and we feel like a club on the up (compared to where we've been for the last few years - including the last three or four years of the Shepherd/Hall era and the first three or four years of the Ashley era). I'd be surprised if Ba wanted to leave at the moment but if he did I would not want him to stay. I don't miss Bassong, Enrique, Carroll, Barton or Nolan even though when they played for us I wanted them to stay. I'm sure more than one of them looks back at us and wonders if they made the right move. We are doing things differently to how the Shepherds and Halls did but league positions are league positions. If we do it by unearthing cheaper young talent or buying big names I'm more interested in seeing us win something than how we do it. We've done this argument to death, I agree with a lot of what you say but I also want to enjoy this good season. we would be better off with all of those 5 players still at the club, its quite amazing that anyone can think otherwise. I don't see why, for the most part, any player should want to leave NUFC for either monetary or career reasons, apart from a handful of glaring examples ie clubs that most players would die to play for.

I really don't see the point of these FM type posts, when the "new" team hasn't done anything yet. Wasn't it Deano who was infatuated by them ?

it would be difficult to leave out dyer, shearer, speed, solano, robert, given, woodgate and bellamy - they would certainly compete for starting positions among the current lot. the backline looks stronger now but i don't think our forward play has been as exciting yet as it was around 2001-2003. we were an exciting and attractive side to watch back then. the current side is built more on solid foundations and hard workign pressing game. not a bad way to go and the tighter defence could mean the current team ends up to be more successful in the long term if the chairman supports the manager. the main difference though is this team hasn't achieved anything yet. they may well go on to be as good or better than the side from the early noughties. but there's still every chance it could go tits up as long as fatty is at the helm. indeed it could will. If only we had owners who kept our best players and/or backed their managers eh ?

the police are on the way to your front door for calling people nasty names.

fair point, but you should address the reason why they want to leave ? Agreed ?

minus Krul, if current rumours are to be believed ? Then what ? Interesting example, a player who cost us nothing, yet adequately replaced a player sold for £6m. That must mean he's no good right? it's pointless talking to people like you. People who regularly point out the gaping chasm in your argument? I admire your tenacity to stick to the same tried and tested lines in the face of such a tsunami of factual information that contradicts them. Every successful football club (bar those owned by sugar daddy sheikhs and russian oligarchs) are run like businesses. Arsenal have been doing it for years and have consistently achieved CL status. At times they've received bids too good to turn down - occasionally because the player wants the move (see Fabregas, Cole, Nasri) or sometimes because they were selling them at the peak of their value before a inevitable slide in form (see Henry, Viera, Overmars and Petit). What all of these players have in common is that Arsenal made profits on those players, a fraction of which went back in to player recruitment, the rest to pay for operational costs, wages and I dare say shareholder dividends. Where FFS went wrong is that he didn't recoup any real value from his assets. So we consistently bought players at the height of their potential worth and sold them for next to nothing or actually nothing (see Robert, Speed, Martins, Owen, Cort, Dyer). Unless you see players as assets you will always have to find extra revenue to fund new players, and eventually the well will run dry and those wonderful Champions League nights that we all loved will NEVER return. FMA, for all his faults, has managed to get the club back in a financial position where Europe is back as a possibility. Good points, well made but sadly wasted on Leazes sadly, it appears that, like so many people, you and the post you quote are cherry picking the last year or so and totally ignoring the first 13 years of the previous regime as if they never happened. Even worse is that if your man ever matches even the last couple of years of his predecessors, you will be pissing your pants with excitement, in your armchair too, such is the lowering of expectations that you have encompassed and accepted. The club has been transported back to the70's and 80's in terms of expectations under Mike Ashley. If you witnessed this period, its easy enough to see, if you didn't then be told by someone who did. Leazes, I know this has been said a million times before, but football has moved on, even since the days of SJH and FFS. It is not possible to compete for the league and/or the champions league by out spending people like we used to. Look how much it took for Chelsea and Man City to compete at the top of the league. You're talking hundreds of millions of pounds. We simply don't make enough money as a club and we're not lucky enough to be backed by a sovereign state. The only way we can compete is to follow the Arsenal model (as outlined above) and for my money that's the direction we are heading in. rubbish. Football has always been about the team with the most money, and how well NUFC have risen to the challenge. Only 2 teams are being bankrolled, like Jack Walker who also bought the league, and it is no excuse for NUFC to sell their best players and pocket the cash, especially when they had the 14th biggest revenues in football. How much more income does a club need not to have to sell their best players and pocket the cash ?

it seemed like every time I came on here, a few years ago, to have a read of a thread, someone was moaning on about having a board who kept our best players, backed their managers, and we were playing in europe regularly. Such as Gloomy, and mancmag who continually moaned about being "embarrassed" by it all.

shocking. The PC brigade obviously think there are no muggers, wife beaters, benefit cheats or drug dealers left in the world to deal with anymore.

minus Krul, if current rumours are to be believed ? Then what ? Interesting example, a player who cost us nothing, yet adequately replaced a player sold for £6m. That must mean he's no good right? it's pointless talking to people like you. People who regularly point out the gaping chasm in your argument? I admire your tenacity to stick to the same tried and tested lines in the face of such a tsunami of factual information that contradicts them. Every successful football club (bar those owned by sugar daddy sheikhs and russian oligarchs) are run like businesses. Arsenal have been doing it for years and have consistently achieved CL status. At times they've received bids too good to turn down - occasionally because the player wants the move (see Fabregas, Cole, Nasri) or sometimes because they were selling them at the peak of their value before a inevitable slide in form (see Henry, Viera, Overmars and Petit). What all of these players have in common is that Arsenal made profits on those players, a fraction of which went back in to player recruitment, the rest to pay for operational costs, wages and I dare say shareholder dividends. Where FFS went wrong is that he didn't recoup any real value from his assets. So we consistently bought players at the height of their potential worth and sold them for next to nothing or actually nothing (see Robert, Speed, Martins, Owen, Cort, Dyer). Unless you see players as assets you will always have to find extra revenue to fund new players, and eventually the well will run dry and those wonderful Champions League nights that we all loved will NEVER return. FMA, for all his faults, has managed to get the club back in a financial position where Europe is back as a possibility. Good points, well made but sadly wasted on Leazes sadly, it appears that, like so many people, you and the post you quote are cherry picking the last year or so and totally ignoring the first 13 years of the previous regime as if they never happened. Even worse is that if your man ever matches even the last couple of years of his predecessors, you will be pissing your pants with excitement, in your armchair too, such is the lowering of expectations that you have encompassed and accepted. The club has been transported back to the 70's and 80's in terms of expectations under Mike Ashley. If you witnessed this period, its easy enough to see, if you didn't then be told by someone who did.

you and idiots like you annoyed me when we had a board which kept its best players, bought quailty players and played regularly in europe. Oh wait a moment, thats the very thing you are moaning on and saying you want now isn't it. You utter, hypocritial fruitcake. Are you ever going to give up this hypocrisy and stop your moaning on in every single post you make ?

and when I am proved to be correct ? Again ? What then ? What does your post have to do with the post you quote? Mine was an explanation of arguing techniques, yours is a demand for.. well I don't know what, but it's got nothing to do with anything I've said in the post you quote. Also, Leazes, why have you posted more about the rumours surrounding Krul, than you did about Cisse? It's like you'd be happy if Krul left if for no other reason than you'd feel it added weight to your position. another ludicrous insinuation ie that I would pay 1350 for 3 years season tickets and hope we fail. You're barking mad, and also not doing your job as policeman of the board very well. Where have I said that? Quote it, now. Or, stop making stuff up. sadly, someone else did, [not for the first time too, ironically by someone who appears to have never seen NUFC play in his life, or not much] I was pointing it out to you in your role as board policeman as you either failed to notice it, or are guilty of not performing what you said you would.

QFT and that. It's like a bunch of charvers have got a racist old tramp surrounded in old eldon square, poking him with sticks trying to inflame his ire and everyone's just walking past letting them get on with it. We might not agree with the entrenched views of the victim, but just leave him to his views and stop the goading. He can argue with the sky quite happily and it harms no-one. That's bollocks imo. People have tried on numerous occasions to try and make him see sense, but he's incapable of it. The pleasant coaxing approach (Do you agree with this. "Yes" And do you agree with that. "of course, I'm not an idiot!" And do you see how putting this and that together gives you a logical conclusion of this. "Does it fuck, and I've been telling you for 4 years that it doesn't") has been done to death, and it gets you nowhere. Ignoring him isn't an option, cos he turns up and gets in people's faces with "omg", "if you really believe that, you're an idiot, i've been telling you for 4 years" etc etc. He's looking for a reaction as much as anyone else is. The exchanges with him inevitably degenerate into pisstaking because it's all there is left to do. I think people putting him on ignore would offend him a lot more than the pisstaking does. Aye, that's my take on it too fwiw (although HF's analogy was a piss funny mental image nonetheless). It'd be massively precious of him to take the hump at what's been written the last few days given the insults he rattles off (and he hasn't in fairness to him as he's relentless), so theres probs no need to get all precious about it on his behalf HF. When you've got someone talking absolute shite on a forum your options are fairly limited and having a laugh at them for it is within a perfectly valid range of responses. I opted for 'ignore' a while back when he was just being a racist dickhead but it's still amusing to see him being quoted, while not actually participating directly in his mad fantasy argument. is that so ? Shame that you've been bickering with me for over 4 years, and the club is heading exactly down the road I told you it would. Fuck knows what you must think of someone who actually said a "4 year plan by anybody" or something similar, would do "better than Fred". Such as yourself and Gloomy for starters.

did a so-called NUFC supporter post that on Newcastle Online ?

and the season ends in November. Unfortunately, you get neither.

still leaves 27m quid though ? Wasn't that the reason for selling Carroll ie to improve the team and back the manager, what could you do with 27m quid in the transfer market ? There is no reason whatsover why they should not be allocating all of that money to Pardew to improve the team as much as possible.

Cheers. West Brom stretched to £7.5m on Shane Long, so the signing of Cisse for a similar fee (with add ons admittedly) is hardly a damning indictment of my West Brom comparison. and yet, some people are pissing their pants at NUFC spending 7.5m quid out of a 35m kitty for the sale of a player. 27m quid left.

anyone who does a spectacular u-turn and can't admit it is a pretentious moron.

so. Do YOU think Mike Ashley will attempt to fulfill the potential of the club. This is after 4 years disageeing with me and you saying I was wrong. And disagreeing vehemently with me when I have said, clearly so even a fuckwit like you couldn't possibly misinterpret anything, that the club would be a sideline to support Sports Direct and a premiership club is all he wanted for that reason, so preserving premiership status is all he wanted, all he wanted was a small profit and would get it by selling a player if it wasn't gained operationally, because selling a player is easier and less risky than gambling on champions League qualification, and would never achieve that because fundamentally he was setting his sights lower as a football club than an owner of the club ought to be doing. I could go on. But is this or is it not what is becoming more obvious all the time ? Even deaders can see it, whereas yourself and other self proclaimed geniuses cannot, which is nothing short of hilarious. Unless of course, as for the vast majority of the time you say absolutely nothing other than cast a refelective eye on events and situations which have passed and became ever more clear, you really don't have any views at all, no judgements, no idea of how to setup a progressive football club, nothing.