NJS

One of Thatcher's crimes imo was to obsess people with owning homes - its why the UK is more fucked than the rest of Europe at the moment. There was nothing wrong in the past with social housing and there shouldn't be now - in fact that's what I'd advocate the government doing ie building houses rather than bailing out banks. They should also be converting "bad" mortgages people can't afford into rent on the homes.

Ah, righto. Funny how he's never pursued the casino thing btw. iirc that got planning permission / approval or whatever when FS was chairman. I still think this redevelopment plan thing was Shepherd's cunning plan to finance the club - and I can't understand why it seems to have been dropped so readily by Ashley. Obviously in 2007 it would have been a lot easier to finance.

So we pay for everything up front now but still accept payment on tick. Does that mean all the other clubs are doing something wrong and we stand alone as being right? They should work like banks (I know, I know) and work out their positions (net in + out) in the future to at least make them square on given dates - we could be using the money that wouldn't normally be due till summer for all the day to day stuff we are supposed to thank the Lord Ashley is paying for all the time.

"single-handedly responsible" is nonsense. There are a plethora of traders, risk managers and senior managers who've contributed. Having said that I hope he gets nowt - they should convert it to RBS shares - that would teach him.

The tabloids ran a bit of a hate campaign saying the lass who single-handedly won it for her team was arrogant and snooty - she wasn't she was just clever which is now a crime apparently.

I failed to get a degree - basically I was too immature to cope with university and instead of getting help or changing anything I just kept going until it was too late. It doesn't have to be the end of the world - as long as you still have a brain you''ll be okay - I am now.

So in the depths of your conciousness you have some taste after all - you should drink more.

I'll bet she would have been there even if she didn't have cancer. I was thinking while reading all the stuff about the University Challenge lass how "the public" think its better to bet thick as shit and have "bucked the system" to become famous rather than to have a brain.

Respect is a funny term - I'd say I admire a few of them like Stephen Fry and Obama and I'd love to fuck Angelina Jolie but the rest are people who don't matter and those I go way beyond "disrespect" in my feelings. I can understand why cretins would name some of the dodgy ones but I don't get Branson - he's always been a fucking prick in my opinion.

Another example of incompetence/naivity followed up by apologetic bullshit and lies.

Sorry - forgot about Martins - will probably be off anyway.

£10m to replace Owen and Viduka or we have Ameobi, Carroll and Xisco as our only strikers. Fucking hell.

They are also trying to sell the idea that they are committed long term when we all know he'd still sell to the first decent offer.

That is of paramount importance, for me. I don't have one iota of confidence in the man. The other two stooges have to go too IMO (Wise and Llambias). The absolute key answer in the Llambias shite for me was when he was asked why didn't Ashley just get rid of Wise and get Keegan back at the weekend meeting - his reply was "that was never going to happen". In other words Ashley put his mate's job before the good of the club - that to me is unforgivable in any terms.

2 if we're lucky.

Is he planning on selling us and buying Liverpool, like? We're successful because we are finacially stable - Liverpool are not because they have debt - keep up man.

I was just thinking last night how they think its all over and everybody is happy with things again. Myabe I am in a very small minority but I still despise the lot iof them.

Extending the family section pats down the earth on the already buried and nailed coffin in my case.

Had a chat with Jeff Clarke's Mam outside Oldham's ground in about 1982. Saw Pete Burns at Kings Cross the very first time I went to London - and then saw John Le Mesurier in a bar the same day so assumed London was just full of famous people.

Quality Steve

Point more than I expected but I still can't see another 4 wins coming any time soon. I know they had players missing but it just shows what a missed opportunity this season has been if Everton are comfortably sixth.

He'll go for the 0-0 - no subs and Everton will sneak it late on.

I'm willing to accept a fitness/match sharpness argument for the bench but Ameobi playing has got me on the verge of not watching it until the fucker is subbed.

Sounds like the Nigerian/South African scenario even if there is any truth there.

No it was Ken Bates - Evans just banned away fans full stop - what a thread full of cunts. The thing about fences is that apart from Millwall at Luton one time I can't remember any outbreaks of what I would call serious trouble involving pitch invasions.