Dr Gloom 19865 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 well if the shields gazette say so, it must be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Author Share Posted August 13, 2010 I still havent given up on this. Cant get my head round Year Zero's point of view either. Its L'OM pissing about delaying things so that they could get him in front of the national and internatonal TV cameras against Norway to try and get more bids but thats us taking the piss out of them? Not sure i get that. I think you missed the point, or perhaps i should've spelt it out more clearly, about OM hoping that a club [willing to pay a respectable transfer fee, relative to their valuation, a club that might prove just as or more attractive to the lad] might materialise with a firm interest between now and the close of the transfer window. I think you underestimate the significance of the game even though it is a match against a lower tier international side in Norway, from a scouting perspective anyway. Managers & scouts [at top clubs] are more interested in how a youngster fares [how their physical & technical come to the fore] when they're surrounded with good/top players [with pace & movement, whether or not they have it in them to take the bull by the scruff of the neck when they're surrounded by players with bigger reputations ie. if they're a shrinking violet or not] regardless as to whether it's versus Brazil, Norway or Luxembourg. Thats all true but as Ketsbaia said, we had the deal agreed and then the offer has come in for Niang and now they have the money to get Fabiano without selling Ben Arfa. Its obviously a tricky situation and if we dont want to risk 7/8m on a player who may flop (for reasons outside his talent, thats not in question) then a loan with a view to buy seems sensible. As thats the only deal we have been prepared to look at, not sure we are taking the piss. I agree that his goal last night makes it less likely he will come, however if the player himself is set on coming then we just need to hold our nerve. A deal agreed in principle [begrudgingly accepted] and nothing set in concrete or finalized on paper by the sounds of things. And OM have every right to move the goal posts, hedge their bets on another club [as i have mentioned] entering the frey: particularly for a player by some accounts is a co-contributor in a frosty relationship between the player & manager, and is currently nearing the end of current contract [last 2 years]. It's a matter of opinion but i'm still of the judgement that OM are playing a waiting game of their own, for the reason which is the polar opposite of our board. They're prepared to roll the dice, they're gambling: hoping that greater exposure will protect & maintain their valuation over the course of this window or in the event of a switch in January, or perhaps to minimise their losses if previous hype [of a couple years back] is to be believed. The loan system has it's place. As a means of topping up a squad with fringe/squad players, amidst the strains imposed by an often heavy fixture schedule. I think of players like Cordone and Distin as examples. But to target priority players [or blue-chip youth talent] is equally unambitious, as well as wrought with danger both prior and after a deal being done. OM are taking their valuation seriously and bids like ours are underanderstably translated as 'ridiculous', hence the moving of the goal posts. Man.Utd haven't built a healthy relationship with Sporting [as a feeder club] by attempting to take the piss out them in being constantly at odds over valuations. Our bid can be fairly viewed as being disrespectful: a belated bid for Delph being another. And '1st option to buy' options are tenious at best, and there's plenty of scope for another/bigger club to materialize with a firm interest at a later time and opportunity for an Arfa to change his mind in accordance to various intangibles. Distin [admittedly a late bloomer, and the sort of squad top-up i speak of] couldn't be convinced to stay on, and we were vastly more ambitious. It's unfair to actually compare the two boards in this instance, but nonetheless the danger of the '1st option to buy' method is there to see. As for what i've placed in bold. That's the very nature of the transfer market. It's a risk based business, one that is speculative and volatile: sometimes players may fail acclimatise into the club dynamic for reasons unrelated to football [Domi, a less obvious example of a foreign export failing to settle in]. Prior to our move for Cole there were question marks raised [when discussing the pros & cons] during the process of evaluating him. Keegan and the remainder for the front-office/board [Fletcher, Shepherd and Hall Jnr] had to balance his potential/his scope for improvement against that of his character [unusual, hot & cold/aloof: and team dynamic, having everybody pulling in the one positive direction and KK was a guru in that department/individually man-managing playing staff] and what was a sketchy fitness record. Cole [in regards to the question of character] when against the grain when compared to KK's earlier signings, but he recognised the pros very much outweighed the so-called cons. At the end of the day he went with his gut instinct and the board fully backed the manager's judgment, and coughed up what was a very respectable transfer fee back in the day. Shepherd was 100 percent correct in his evaluation of Ashley's running of the club, and FS much to the majority's disdain was correct in regards to many things he said which were deemed to be politically incorrect/offensive. The business of football [the transfer market] is an entirely different beast to that one treaded by Ashley out in the business world. It's largely speculative, risk vs reward as mentioned. Ashley, as it would appear, seems uncomfortable with this notion. Whereas he/Ashley should stick with a market which is more homely to him, a market which allows him to consolidate & strengthen his strength by resorting to anti-competitive & unethical practices: where in addition where it's all too very easy to buy a sufficient shareholding or a saboteur voice on a rival or major product supplier, in order to protect his overall interests. Blokes like Ashley who are unable to distinguish between the two [and hence by nature are unwilling to apply the appropriate practice, and by nature he was/is a cheap & tacky store trader he struck an oil deposit, by accumulating a set of of brands in a developing - or yet to be fully tapped market - during an economic boom time] have no place in football. From the outset [on another forum admittedly] i questioned Ashley's propensity to apply the proverbial corporate razor-cutter mentality, and duly raised concerns as to whether his running of the club would closely follow suit: both applying to business models/practices in addition to the character of the man. On both counts, it seems as though i was unfortunately correct. I was going to wait until it was clear which way the deal was going, however, from the french press it is clear that it is Marseille fucking about on this, not us. As my French colleague said yesterday 'never do business with anyone from Marseille'. 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spongebob toonpants 3612 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I would imagine his current desire to join us will take something of a knock after he witnesses the pasting at the hands of MAnU that I expect on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmdj 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Hello everybody, i'm a french fan of Olympic Marseille (was born and live) and Newcastle (since 2003) and it's logically that the "Hatem Ben Arfa file" interessed me . The last news are that Didier Deschamps did his group for the away game at Valenciennes . And Hatem is not in ! He really want to leave Marseille for Newcastle and think that Chairmain, coach and the club get him like a young idiot . Well i'm sad for Marseille because this summer is chaotic but Hatem would be a very good arrivals for Magpies !!! (sorry if my english is not very good) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4233 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Hello everybody, i'm a french fan of Olympic Marseille (was born and live) and Newcastle (since 2003) and it's logically that the "Hatem Ben Arfa file" interessed me . The last news are that Didier Deschamps did his group for the away game at Valenciennes . And Hatem is not in ! He really want to leave Marseille for Newcastle and think that Chairmain, coach and the club get him like a young idiot . Well i'm sad for Marseille because this summer is chaotic but Hatem would be a very good arrivals for Magpies !!! (sorry if my english is not very good) . I hope you're right no worries with the english pal, its better than kockheads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmdj 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Thanks . ^^ Yesterday, chairman Dassier said that Hatem will stay this season . But Hatem really dont want, he leaved training yesterday, said "I will never come back " and today he was no present . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Author Share Posted August 13, 2010 Hello everybody, i'm a french fan of Olympic Marseille (was born and live) and Newcastle (since 2003) and it's logically that the "Hatem Ben Arfa file" interessed me . The last news are that Didier Deschamps did his group for the away game at Valenciennes . And Hatem is not in ! He really want to leave Marseille for Newcastle and think that Chairmain, coach and the club get him like a young idiot . Well i'm sad for Marseille because this summer is chaotic but Hatem would be a very good arrivals for Magpies !!! (sorry if my english is not very good) . I hope you're right no worries with the english pal, its better than kockheads not just his either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tuco Ramirez Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Hello everybody, i'm a french fan of Olympic Marseille (was born and live) and Newcastle (since 2003) and it's logically that the "Hatem Ben Arfa file" interessed me . The last news are that Didier Deschamps did his group for the away game at Valenciennes . And Hatem is not in ! He really want to leave Marseille for Newcastle and think that Chairmain, coach and the club get him like a young idiot . Well i'm sad for Marseille because this summer is chaotic but Hatem would be a very good arrivals for Magpies !!! (sorry if my english is not very good) . Bonjour monsieur, c'est une regle, je suis soxiant annes. Sorry mon francais c'est worse than vous anglais. Haviing vede Ben Arfa via la Norway je non understand pour quoi il non va a la coupe de monde. Especially when vous have merde like Toulalan. Allez les niors. Fuck Boulogne Boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Basically what Tuco is trying to say is that he's sorry his french is worse than your english, he also says that ben arfa should've went to the world cup based on his display v norway instead of that guy, toulan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM4 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I don't quite get why he seems so desperate to come here. I question is mental stability already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Author Share Posted August 13, 2010 I don't quite get why he seems so desperate to come here. I question is mental stability already. Possibly spoken to Beye or Cisse? They were both mates when they were up in the NE and i presume they live down there still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM4 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Yeah he probably got good reviews from those boys. But given the club's fragile position at the moment it's quite funny. Him threatening to quit over us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tuco Ramirez Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Malc do Marseille have un forum de fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackbleep 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 The longer this is going on, the more bridges are being burned by OM. If it wasn't for the fat shit we have running us, I could see it being a permanent deal rather than just a loan one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Malcolm, not a very french name is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 http://www.newcastle.vitalfootball.co.uk/f...53&posts=28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Photos on the net of him at "Newcastle" airport now, a few who have been recently think it is Newcastle airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 http://www.newcastle.vitalfootball.co.uk/f...53&posts=28 is that newcastle airport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 That's definitely Newcastle Airport. The signage (and overcast weather) give it away. Could be the love child of Angelos Epithemiou and Leon Best though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 That could be any paki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackbleep 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 That's definitely Newcastle Airport. The signage (and overcast weather) give it away. Could be the love child of Angelos Epithemiou and Leon Best though. It's definitely him IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 It does look alot like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 It's definitely him IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 That could be any paki. FoK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackbleep 0 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 It's definitely him IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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