thebrokendoll 14195 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Alex said: Taking your hatred of Liverpool fans a tad too far perhaps. I mean I think you can acknowledge the state of the legal system whilst recognising it’s not particularly relevant here. And the coverage has been quite lopsided in relation to the perpetrator. And I think what he did was indefensible and I wouldn’t mind seeing the results of his tests for drug and drink driving. so just out of curiosity what would you do than if you were in your car alone, at a standstill and surrounded by shit loads of people booting it and trying to get the doors open. wind the window down and try to reason with them? Edited September 5 by thebrokendoll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39128 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 minute ago, thebrokendoll said: so just out of curiosity what would you do than if you were in your car alone, at a standstill and surrounded by shit loads of people booting it and trying to get the doors open. wind the window down and try to reason with them? Aye, especially after you had deliberately driven into a pedestrian area and were coked off your tits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14195 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: Aye, especially after you had deliberately driven into a pedestrian area and were coked off your tits. was it a pedestrian area? I thought the road was closed for the parade, which at that point has passed by some time ago? the way I saw it reported the side street was closed and then the sign removed and ambulance allowed out it and he followed it, which isn't unreasonable. he then stopped? ive no idea if he was coked off his tits. Edited September 5 by thebrokendoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39128 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 The area was still clearly pedestrainised and he knowingly followed an ambulance through the lifted barrier. It was reported at the time he was under the influence of drugs. This wasn't some unlucky fella who found himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was an entitled wanker deciding to drive wherever the fuck he wanted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14195 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) 27 minutes ago, ewerk said: The area was still clearly pedestrainised and he knowingly followed an ambulance through the lifted barrier. It was reported at the time he was under the influence of drugs. This wasn't some unlucky fella who found himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was an entitled wanker deciding to drive wherever the fuck he wanted. ah, i see. all that simple. we have a justice system in this country, and despite the fact that it's undoubtedly flawed, it's there for a reason, primarily to stop people jumping to conclusions and forming a lynch mob. a situation escalated out of control once a bunch of skinny tracksiuted scallies started attacking a car which was at a standstill. I have literally no idea how idea how many drugs he had, what kind they were and how entitled he felt. and neither have you. Edited September 5 by thebrokendoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39128 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 No but let's give him the benefit of the doubt for absolutely no reason. It has fuck all to do with what city he was in. The crowd would have had the exact same reaction had it happened in Newcastle or any other city in England. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14195 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 minute ago, ewerk said: No but let's give him the benefit of the doubt for absolutely no reason. It has fuck all to do with what city he was in. The crowd would have had the exact same reaction had it happened in Newcastle or any other city in England. he was literally metres away from the side street he'd pulled out of man and was STOPPED when his car was being attacked. which bit of that are you struggling with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14195 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 5 minutes ago, ewerk said: No but let's give him the benefit of the doubt for absolutely no reason. It has fuck all to do with what city he was in. The crowd would have had the exact same reaction had it happened in Newcastle or any other city in England. oh and it's called innocent until proven guilty. it's not a bad principle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42056 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 At least we’ve found a scouser tbd has some time for. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15507 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) Can we all just calm down and accept that he and the others are all just innocent victims in all of this. Edited September 5 by Toonpack 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14195 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Just now, Alex said: At least we’ve found a scouser tbd has some time for. I'm sure there's a possibility I could get round to roping him in with the rest of the cunts. just not yet. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 50627 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Not defending or excusing the bloke, but if I remember rightly his car was surrounded by an angry Scouse mob, before he floored it, aye? Again, neither defending or excusing him, but I remember from doing my Bronze lifesaver swimming badge that people often panic when they think they’re drowning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39128 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 7 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said: he was literally metres away from the side street he'd pulled out of man and was STOPPED when his car was being attacked. which bit of that are you struggling with? Someone hit his car a kick as he was driving through the crowd, he then went into reverse to try to hit the fella who kicked his car and then decided to speed through the crowd injuring 79 people. But aye, it was the crowd's fault for being in his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 16111 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 minute ago, ewerk said: It was the crowd's fault for being in his way. TBD'dYP via omission 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15507 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 minute ago, ewerk said: Someone hit his car a kick as he was driving through the crowd, he then went into reverse to try to hit the fella who kicked his car and then decided to speed through the crowd injuring 79 people. But aye, it was the crowd's fault for being in his way. Ah the classic Heysel defence, as the wall collapsed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 16111 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 minute ago, Toonpack said: Ah the classic Heysel defence, as the wall collapsed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12321 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 There's no defending Doyle or giving him the benefit of the doubt. Irrespective of any mitigation being put forward, he made a conscious decision to use a motor vehicle as a weapon. He's as guilty as fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 16111 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, Craig said: There's no defending Doyle or giving him the benefit of the doubt. Irrespective of any mitigation being put forward, he made a conscious decision to use a motor vehicle as a weapon. He's as guilty as fuck. "So you claim..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14195 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: Someone hit his car a kick as he was driving through the crowd, he then went into reverse to try to hit the fella who kicked his car and then decided to speed through the crowd injuring 79 people. But aye, it was the crowd's fault for being in his way. they were kicking, punching and smashing the windows of a car which was very much initially stationary. he drove away down the middle of the road, the speed didn't look particularly excessive, I'm sure his car was capable of going faster, but I don't know. the first person he strikes he hits with the front nearside of his vehicle. I don't know why this person walks out in front of him like that, probably off his tits on coke? when he strikes that person he veers to the right, which I'd guess you would to avoid going over them. by veering to the right he goes in to the crowd. he stops very quickly thereafter. that's my perception of events from the dozens of videos ive seen. I could he wrong, I don't know. what i could have a pretty reasonable guess at is that if he was intent on causing carnage then he could've done an infinitely better job, which in my opinion casts some doubt as to whether it was his intent at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14195 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 6 minutes ago, Craig said: There's no defending Doyle or giving him the benefit of the doubt. Irrespective of any mitigation being put forward, he made a conscious decision to use a motor vehicle as a weapon. He's as guilty as fuck. here, the other ones not big enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12321 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 "but, but, but .... some of them kicked the fuck out of my car ... so I was within rights to drive straight through a crowd further down then road!" Bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62975 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Well... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14195 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 8 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Well... you find yourself sat in your stationary car surrounded by a baying mob intent on smashing it up and pulling you out of it, do you, a) put your head in your hands and sob uncontrollably. b) get out the car, admit the car was acting unreasonably and help the crowd smash it up. c) think things could esculate whereby you're in grave danger, panic and drive away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62975 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I always did love Choose Your Own Adventure books. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 12521 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 minute ago, thebrokendoll said: you find yourself sat in your stationary car surrounded by a baying mob intent on smashing it up and pulling you out of it, do you, a) put your head in your hands and sob uncontrollably. b) get out the car, admit the car was acting unreasonably and help the crowd smash it up. c) think things could esculate whereby you're in grave danger, panic and drive away. He didn't find himself there though, did he? He put himself there. I am driving my car up a side street, the main road I'm looking to join is filled with a large crowd of football fans walking on the road, do I; a) put my head in my hands and sob uncontrollably or, b) turn the car around and go a different route, or wait if there isn't one or, c) drive into the crowded street, wipe some disco dust from my nose and get ready for some Carmageddon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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