Santon > Raylor

[Dr Gloom 19824]

taylor offers more going forward through his delivery. he takes the best set piece by a mile too. simpson better defensively though - his pace gets him out of trouble more often but he's not the best on the overlap.

 

I dont think we'd suffer a great deal on the set pieces by not having him in if we've cabaye and Ben arfa playing

 

As I've said in the past, raylor is an accident waiting to happen in just about every game he plays. Poor defender with shocking positional sense. Just because he can deliver a free kick occasionally...and he can...that isn't enough to overcome his defensive inadequacy. He's lucky he has Jonas working his arse off around him.

 

i'd agree with that if you'd made the argument at the start of the season but you have to give him credit for his positional discipline this season. i don't remember him making any massive errors prior to the city game. whatever pardew has been doing seems to have been working. the evidence is in the goals against column.

[Guest alex]

I think he's probably better than Ryan Taylor, don't get me wrong. I'd certainly be disappointed if he wasn't. But I'm not really sure he's done anything to warrant coming straight in for him, or to be more exact, Taylor doesn't deserve to be dropped on the back of that one performance. Also, with Santon being predominantly right-footed I'd rather see him play on the right and us sign a specialist left-back because I don't think either Simpson or Taylor are long-term solutions in their current positions. They're both lacking in key areas. That said, they've both been part of a pretty mean defence so far so what do I know?

[Guest alex]

taylor offers more going forward through his delivery. he takes the best set piece by a mile too. simpson better defensively though - his pace gets him out of trouble more often but he's not the best on the overlap.

 

I dont think we'd suffer a great deal on the set pieces by not having him in if we've cabaye and Ben arfa playing

 

As I've said in the past, raylor is an accident waiting to happen in just about every game he plays. Poor defender with shocking positional sense. Just because he can deliver a free kick occasionally...and he can...that isn't enough to overcome his defensive inadequacy. He's lucky he has Jonas working his arse off around him.

 

i'd agree with that if you'd made the argument at the start of the season but you have to give him credit for his positional discipline this season. i don't remember him making any massive errors prior to the city game. whatever pardew has been doing seems to have been working. the evidence is in the goals against column.

Bolton away I thought he looked vulnerable. Stood up to the physical stuff against Stoke though so fair play. I think you have to look at his career as a whole rather than his current purple patch though. So, whilst I'm with the people saying he shouldn't be dropped we should also be looking at an upgrade. We're fucking desperate for cover at LB at the very least. We should have got that Chelsea lad in on loan (Van Arnolt? sp?) He went to Wigan on loan iirc.

Edit: Wolves away I meant.

Edited November 22, 2011 by alex

[Tom 13846]

1min - Haris Vuckic and Joan Edmundsson have taken kick-off and the game is underway on a sunny afternoon on Tyneside. Newcastle are in blue with white shorts, while Newcastle are in black and white.

 

A good start.

[JawD 31]

[StoneColdStephenIreland 74]

I think he's probably better than Ryan Taylor, don't get me wrong. I'd certainly be disappointed if he wasn't. But I'm not really sure he's done anything to warrant coming straight in for him, or to be more exact, Taylor doesn't deserve to be dropped on the back of that one performance. Also, with Santon being predominantly right-footed I'd rather see him play on the right and us sign a specialist left-back because I don't think either Simpson or Taylor are long-term solutions in their current positions. They're both lacking in key areas. That said, they've both been part of a pretty mean defence so far so what do I know?

 

Exactly the point I was trying to get across, Taylor hasnt done anything to warrant getting dropped IMO and Santon doesnt necessarily warrant coming straight in for him neither. I dont doubt that Santon is probably a better FB than him either btw.

 

Also for example, we all know Ben Arfa's a better footballer etc than Best, but until he got injured, Best deserved to be in the team ahead of him, no matter how long he'd been crap before he got a run in the team and how many Champions league games Ben Arfa played and how man french leagues and cups he'd won

[sniffer 0]

taylor offers more going forward through his delivery. he takes the best set piece by a mile too. simpson better defensively though - his pace gets him out of trouble more often but he's not the best on the overlap.

 

I dont think we'd suffer a great deal on the set pieces by not having him in if we've cabaye and Ben arfa playing

 

As I've said in the past, raylor is an accident waiting to happen in just about every game he plays. Poor defender with shocking positional sense. Just because he can deliver a free kick occasionally...and he can...that isn't enough to overcome his defensive inadequacy. He's lucky he has Jonas working his arse off around him.

 

i'd agree with that if you'd made the argument at the start of the season but you have to give him credit for his positional discipline this season. i don't remember him making any massive errors prior to the city game. whatever pardew has been doing seems to have been working. the evidence is in the goals against column.

 

Then you should agree with me. I made this point about Taylor long ago. He is a poor player who constantly gets caught out and is pretty much a liability. I'm surprised you don't see that.

[Dr Gloom 19824]

taylor offers more going forward through his delivery. he takes the best set piece by a mile too. simpson better defensively though - his pace gets him out of trouble more often but he's not the best on the overlap.

 

I dont think we'd suffer a great deal on the set pieces by not having him in if we've cabaye and Ben arfa playing

 

As I've said in the past, raylor is an accident waiting to happen in just about every game he plays. Poor defender with shocking positional sense. Just because he can deliver a free kick occasionally...and he can...that isn't enough to overcome his defensive inadequacy. He's lucky he has Jonas working his arse off around him.

 

i'd agree with that if you'd made the argument at the start of the season but you have to give him credit for his positional discipline this season. i don't remember him making any massive errors prior to the city game. whatever pardew has been doing seems to have been working. the evidence is in the goals against column.

 

Then you should agree with me. I made this point about Taylor long ago. He is a poor player who constantly gets caught out and is pretty much a liability. I'm surprised you don't see that.

 

i did see it prior to this season, never rated him and like everyone elese, i didn't fancy him at left back at all. but to be fair to taylor, he's in the team on merit. he's been a solid left back for most of the season up until now and is proof that limited players can improve with good coaching. i don't think he should be dropped on the back of one poor performance. if this is the return fo the old taylor then fair enough, give the other lad a go. he's earned one more crack though to prove it is just a blip.

[Park Life 70]

taylor offers more going forward through his delivery. he takes the best set piece by a mile too. simpson better defensively though - his pace gets him out of trouble more often but he's not the best on the overlap.

 

I dont think we'd suffer a great deal on the set pieces by not having him in if we've cabaye and Ben arfa playing

 

As I've said in the past, raylor is an accident waiting to happen in just about every game he plays. Poor defender with shocking positional sense. Just because he can deliver a free kick occasionally...and he can...that isn't enough to overcome his defensive inadequacy. He's lucky he has Jonas working his arse off around him.

 

i'd agree with that if you'd made the argument at the start of the season but you have to give him credit for his positional discipline this season. i don't remember him making any massive errors prior to the city game. whatever pardew has been doing seems to have been working. the evidence is in the goals against column.

 

Then you should agree with me. I made this point about Taylor long ago. He is a poor player who constantly gets caught out and is pretty much a liability. I'm surprised you don't see that.

 

This forum is bi-polar. It's hapenned cause Ashley has mind fucked us all, (Apart from Ne5).

[LeazesMag 0]

Ryan Taylor is a good pro, and I'm sure he's a good lad, but talking of him stepping into Enriques shoes is the same as was Ian Bogie stepping into Gazza's.

 

Sadly, some people also thought we came out of that a better team too, at the time.

[LeazesMag 0]

taylor offers more going forward through his delivery. he takes the best set piece by a mile too. simpson better defensively though - his pace gets him out of trouble more often but he's not the best on the overlap.

 

I dont think we'd suffer a great deal on the set pieces by not having him in if we've cabaye and Ben arfa playing

 

As I've said in the past, raylor is an accident waiting to happen in just about every game he plays. Poor defender with shocking positional sense. Just because he can deliver a free kick occasionally...and he can...that isn't enough to overcome his defensive inadequacy. He's lucky he has Jonas working his arse off around him.

 

i'd agree with that if you'd made the argument at the start of the season but you have to give him credit for his positional discipline this season. i don't remember him making any massive errors prior to the city game. whatever pardew has been doing seems to have been working. the evidence is in the goals against column.

 

Then you should agree with me. I made this point about Taylor long ago. He is a poor player who constantly gets caught out and is pretty much a liability. I'm surprised you don't see that.

 

This forum is bi-polar. It's hapenned cause Ashley has mind fucked us all, (Apart from Ne5).

 

thank you Parky.

 

PS...I have one or two disciples too though.

[sniffer 0]

I think he's probably better than Ryan Taylor, don't get me wrong. I'd certainly be disappointed if he wasn't. But I'm not really sure he's done anything to warrant coming straight in for him, or to be more exact, Taylor doesn't deserve to be dropped on the back of that one performance. Also, with Santon being predominantly right-footed I'd rather see him play on the right and us sign a specialist left-back because I don't think either Simpson or Taylor are long-term solutions in their current positions. They're both lacking in key areas. That said, they've both been part of a pretty mean defence so far so what do I know?

 

I agree the defence hasn't leaked goals. But I'd also say that they have more in common with the Keystone Cops at times than say, the arsenal defence of a few years ago.

[ewerk 26345]

Ryan Taylor is a good pro, and I'm sure he's a good lad, but talking of him stepping into Enriques shoes is the same as was Ian Bogie stepping into Gazza's.

 

Sadly, some people also thought we came out of that a better team too, at the time.

 

Who suggested he was anywhere near as good as Enrique?

[Dr Gloom 19824]

Ryan Taylor is a good pro, and I'm sure he's a good lad, but talking of him stepping into Enriques shoes is the same as was Ian Bogie stepping into Gazza's.

 

Sadly, some people also thought we came out of that a better team too, at the time.

 

Who suggested he was anywhere near as good as Enrique?

 

[JawD 31]

Havent seen enough of Santon to judge. Id like to see how he faired at RB as well. But Raylor has been ok, steady. Were it not for his goals, you'd ask what the fuss was about. But even then its not like he is banging them in 1 in 3. When we come up against a decent side they will exploit it. Having watched the City game you can imagine all teams saying get down that side. He is good enough to cope with some of those with the help of Jonas but thats at the expense if him going forward. Nee wonder he always looks fucked. But against better sides, that will be our downfall.

 

Not sure whether Man Utd or Chelsea is the best game to introduce Santon, but I doubt he'll do any worse than Taylor who will be exploited.

[ewerk 26345]

He's creating points of view in his head to argue with now.

[TicTacWoe 0]

Keep Taylor in the team for a while, drop Simpson instead and bring in Santon, see what happens bish bash bosh

[Kid Dynamite 5908]

Lots of people have alluded to that but Its backwards logic to me. Simpson is a steady player and I can't remember the last time he was directly responsible for a goal. Dropping him instead of the bloke that gave away 2 on Saturday is madness.

[ChezGiven 0]

Simpson? Everton the last time and Wolves off top of my head.

[Monroe Transfer 0]

Lots of people have alluded to that but Its backwards logic to me. Simpson is a steady player and I can't remember the last time he was directly responsible for a goal. Dropping him instead of the bloke that gave away 2 on Saturday is madness.

 

Right, because no other defender makes mistakes. We should drop Coloccini if he does similar.

[Guest alex]

Whereas I suppose dropping a player in the form of his life after one bad game (against the best side in the country - on current form) is perfectly logical.

Edited November 23, 2011 by alex

[LeazesMag 0]

Ryan Taylor is a good pro, and I'm sure he's a good lad, but talking of him stepping into Enriques shoes is the same as was Ian Bogie stepping into Gazza's.

 

Sadly, some people also thought we came out of that a better team too, at the time.

 

Who suggested he was anywhere near as good as Enrique?

 

 

Gloomy supporting Mike Ashley's transfer policy and defending the sale of Enrique

[LeazesMag 0]

Whereas I suppose dropping a player in the form of his life after one bad game (against the best side in the country - on current form) is perfectly logical.

 

Ryan Taylor doesn't deserve to be dropped, not until there is a better full back at the club anyway. He's playing well, despite his limitations. Players with his attitude are good to have around the club too.

[LeazesMag 0]

Ryan Taylor is a good pro, and I'm sure he's a good lad, but talking of him stepping into Enriques shoes is the same as was Ian Bogie stepping into Gazza's.

 

Sadly, some people also thought we came out of that a better team too, at the time.

 

Who suggested he was anywhere near as good as Enrique?

 

haven't people said selling Enrique was "good business" or "he isn't doing too well for Liverpool" etc etc.......or are you as out of the picture as always, as you don't go to games etc ?

[ewerk 26345]

Ryan Taylor is a good pro, and I'm sure he's a good lad, but talking of him stepping into Enriques shoes is the same as was Ian Bogie stepping into Gazza's.

 

Sadly, some people also thought we came out of that a better team too, at the time.

 

Who suggested he was anywhere near as good as Enrique?

 

haven't people said selling Enrique was "good business" or "he isn't doing too well for Liverpool" etc etc.......or are you as out of the picture as always, as you don't go to games etc ?

 

That wasn't my question. Now please state where anyone has suggested that Ryan Taylor is fit to 'step into Enrique's shoes'.