DubiousBobcat 0 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I always thought if one of the Manchester clubs won the Europa, it would open up another league position spot as they won't be defending their title due to Champions League commitments. This effectively meant 6th place was up for grabs and if Liverpool leapfrogged us into 6th and we stay 7th, then 7th place was also up as Liverpool already have Europa League secured. Am I wrong in thinking that? Now we have to get 5th and I can't see us over taking Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26793 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 No, I don't think that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26793 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 2012/13: Europe Some useful guidance regarding our chances of making a return to European competition next season appeared in Thursday's Chronicle - here's an abridged version: UEFA has allocated three Europa League places to England next season: One via the PL, one to Carling Cup winners Liverpool and one to the FA Cup winners. UEFA will only admit four teams from each country into the competition after amending their rules in 2006. A fourth place finish would earn a two-legged playoff place for a spot in the Champions League group stages (21st Aug/28th Aug). If Chelsea won the Champions League and finished in fifth or lower, the fourth-placed team would go into the Europa League. A fifth place finish would earn a two-legged playoff place for the Europa League (23rd Aug/30th Aug). A sixth place finish could also earn a two-legged playoff place for the Europa League (23rd/30th Aug) if the FA Cup Final was contested by two teams who had both already qualified for Europe via a different route ie PL, Carling Cup, Champions League. However a sixth place finish could see us beaten to a Europa League spot by the losing FA Cup finalist, regardless of where that team finishes in the PL. A seventh place finish could also earn a place in the two legged Third Qualifying Round of the Europa League (2nd Aug/9th Aug), due to Liverpool's Carling Cup Final win which already gives them a place in that tournament. That would require Liverpool to finish sixth and the FA Cup Final was contested by two teams who had both already qualified for Europe via a different route ie PL, Champions League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_cheshire_toon 0 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 OK then the current table is as follows :- 1. Man Utd - In no comps. 2. Man City - In no comps. 3. Spurs - Still in FA Cup. 4. Arses - In no comps. ----- 5. Chelski - Still in FA Cup ----- 6. Newcastle - In no comps. 7. Liverpool - In Europa via League Cup Win. So going on the above previous post it would be advantagous to us if both Chelski and Spurs contested the FA Cup final ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 OK then the current table is as follows :- 1. Man Utd - In no comps. 2. Man City - In no comps. 3. Spurs - Still in FA Cup. 4. Arses - In no comps. ----- 5. Chelski - Still in FA Cup ----- 6. Newcastle - In no comps. 7. Liverpool - In Europa via League Cup Win. So going on the above previous post it would be advantagous to us if both Chelski and Spurs contested the FA Cup final ? Obviously. Look at like this, forget about league position unless we finish 8th. As long as we come 7th or above and the Cup Final involves a combination of Tottenham, Chelsea or Liverpool we're in Europe. Looking at the FA Cup I'd say there's a 90% chance Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs will all get through, meaning in my opinion the only way we won't get in to Europe is cataclysmic league form meaning we come below 7th which is unlikely, or Sunderland or Everton beating one of the three teams I've mentioned in the Semi Final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 OK then the current table is as follows :- 1. Man Utd - In no comps. 2. Man City - In no comps. 3. Spurs - Still in FA Cup. 4. Arses - In no comps. ----- 5. Chelski - Still in FA Cup ----- 6. Newcastle - In no comps. 7. Liverpool - In Europa via League Cup Win. So going on the above previous post it would be advantagous to us if both Chelski and Spurs contested the FA Cup final ? Obviously. Look at like this, forget about league position unless we finish 8th. As long as we come 7th or above and the Cup Final involves a combination of Tottenham, Chelsea or Liverpool we're in Europe. Looking at the FA Cup I'd say there's a 90% chance Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs will all get through, meaning in my opinion the only way we won't get in to Europe is cataclysmic league form meaning we come below 7th which is unlikely, or Sunderland or Everton beating one of the three teams I've mentioned in the Semi Final. I reckon we'll hold 7th. But Everton are 4th in the current form tables. Making a push. Could be tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Need to up our game to stand a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 31 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 You can see it now, Sunderland get to the FA Cup final and lose but take the final Europa spot. Daft thing is, they'd only be celebrating us not getting it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 You can see it now, Sunderland get to the FA Cup final and lose but take the final Europa spot. Daft thing is, they'd only be celebrating us not getting it That'd be such a cop out way to get into europe over us though which would make it all the funnier. Unless they win the Cup () in that case fair play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 You can see it now, Sunderland get to the FA Cup final and lose but take the final Europa spot. Daft thing is, they'd only be celebrating us not getting it That'd be such a cop out way to get into europe over us though which would make it all the funnier. Unless they win the Cup ( ) in that case fair play. To be fair we wrote the book on getting in to Europe via the back door. We got in the intertoto in 2001 because of a war, and our fair play rating, and we've benefitted from being losing FA Cup Finalists twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 39159 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Didn't we also get into the Fairs Cup because of a 'one club per city' rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubiousBobcat 0 Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share Posted March 16, 2012 So what would have happened i wonder if one of the Manchester clubs would have won the Europa cup and finish in the top 4? Have them being knocked out had an affect on our chances? Just intrigued.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 So what would have happened i wonder if one of the Manchester clubs would have won the Europa cup and finish in the top 4? Have them being knocked out had an affect on our chances? Just intrigued.... Not one thing would happen in that scenario that would effect us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Need to up our game to stand a chance. You can say that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 We need to finish 6th and hope two of the top four are in the FA cup final. If Liverpool finish above us and qualify for a Europa League spot then Cardiff will get their Carling Cup spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6082 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Don't think so. Carling Cup runners up get nowt. It goes to 7th instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Don't think so. Carling Cup runners up get nowt. It goes to 7th instead I'm pretty sure I was told and read that it does. I'll take your word for it, good news if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Need to up our game to stand a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 7071 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Didn't we also get into the Fairs Cup because of a 'one club per city' rule? Aye, but we went on and won the fucker. Champs League (or Champions Trophy) was just the winners in them days, Fairs Cup was a HUGE thing to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CabayeAye Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 We need to finish 6th and hope two of the top four are in the FA cup final. If Liverpool finish above us and qualify for a Europa League spot then Cardiff will get their Carling Cup spot. Not true. Cardiff cannot qualify for Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I can remember us entering the intertoto under Souness despite finishing 13th I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4263 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 We need to finish 6th and hope two of the top four are in the FA cup final. If Liverpool finish above us and qualify for a Europa League spot then Cardiff will get their Carling Cup spot. Not true. Cardiff cannot qualify for Europe. whys that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racing_argentina 0 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 if we left sixth, and Liverpool won the FA cup, newcastle or cardiff classifies the UEFA? and if Chelsea wins the FA? if anyone knows, please tell me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CabayeAye Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 The League Cup winner qualifies for Europe. If the winner qualifies through the league (Murderers finish top 6, provided the FA Cup final is two top 5 teams) the runner up gets nowt and the place goes back to the league (7th place in this example). Interestingly, UEFA's official paperwork states that the 5th and 6th placed teams get into the Europa League and makes no provision for the League Cup winner. http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/Regulations/01/62/69/60/1626960_DOWNLOAD.pdf - Annex Ia I can only assume that the FA defies this and enters the LC winner in lieu of 6th place (assuming the LC winner has not already qualified). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CabayeAye Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 if we left sixth, and Liverpool won the FA cup, newcastle or cardiff classifies the UEFA? and if Chelsea wins the FA? if anyone knows, please tell me If we finish 6th and the murderers win the FA Cup then the following happens: 1st Man City - CL 2nd Man Utd - CL 3rd Spurs - CL 4th Arsenal - CL Qualifiers 5th Chelsea - Europa League 6th Newcastle - Europa League (PROVIDED THE MACKEMS OR EVERTON ARE NOT FINALISTS!!!) 7th Liverpool - Europa League i.e. 4 CL teams and 3 Europa teams as per the quota. If the Mackems or Everton make the final, they will qualify in our place! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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