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Agree with monroes assessment of the subs. I could see why they were made, it was almost keeganesque in my opinion but we just didnt have the defenseive cover to fall back on. Shit or bust, all or nothing 1 goal behind with not long to go - lets throw on another striker and take the game to them cavaliers ahoy!!!!!

 

Admirable in spirit and if we had a reliable back four we may still have been able to pull level - or even ahead.

 

But they didn't work out, it just left us even more vulnerable and they had a field day with it - no lesson was learnt because pardew knew it was a gamble, a roll of the dice. If it comes off then it was a ballsy gut check and the players stepped up. If it doesnt then it was a desperate act to try and rescue a point that backfired. we got the latter.

 

Taking bigi off was a mistake, most of our attacking presence was coming from the left hand side where obertan kept having wonderful balls sprayed up to him from the centre of the pitch over the top, all placed there by bigi. Bringing another striker on is understandable, doing it at the expense of the only bloke seeming to be able to get the ball into the final third is not.

Simpson coming off? meh. In all honesty i didnt really see the young un after he came on, dont really think he had much of a chance to show that he was any better or worse than simpson because it all went to shit at about the same time - though if we had any kind of depth in simpson should have been off exactly before or directly after he decided to throw the ball to an arsenal player on the edge of our area for the 2nd goal.

His retardation knows no bounds.

 

Yeah theres a couple of shitty things about the game and things outside it that kind of annoy me - them skiving off and getting a weeks break whilst we were grinding out an all or nothing game against the league leaders 3 days earlier is a bit of a shitter. The fact that despite any angle that has currently been shown i STILL cant see santon playing walcott onside for their first goal (may be me at fault there) is also a bit of a shitter - but i'd be loathe to fall on them as excuses, sure they had an impact on the match but should not be used as a get out of jail free card to excuse the shambolic defence.

 

What does it the most for me however is the scoreline - just the fucking scoreline.

Spent all day today with cuntish gooner lads who didnt even watch the game chatting bollocks all day at work about how it was a thrashing and a demolition and all the usual bollocks that goes with a big scoreline.

You know what, chelsea villa was a demolishment. that was a rout, that was a 'rape' as our manager likes to express.

 

Last night was far far removed from that - it was 85 minutes of two teams fairly well balanced (would give us the tip of play in the first half as the better team) and conceding only by little defensive undoings. it was 85 minutes of neck and neck to me-to you football with any team likely to produce the winner.

Then 5 minutes of something barely even resembling football.

 

Those subs and the defense falling apart is something we've seen repeatedly this season - fulham and stoke for example. it's just not something we've usually seen when a team has brought on a fresh and determined attacking power at the same time - and against man utd and to a greater extent, arsenal - we see what happens. but we've already covered how the defense problem needs solving, it isn't worth a repeat.

 

But yeah, the thing that's making me cringe is that for once - the high scoring result does not tell the game, it doesnt explain how on the edge it was for both teams, and it makes us seem like we rolled over and died for arsenal from the get go. we didnt, until the 86th minute anyway. After that? the game ended 4-3 in my opinion, anything else after that just wasnt important - not until goal difference becomes necessary if we are in relegation come 4 months time anyway.

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It's all about comparisons with Arsenal. Two sets of players pushing themselves to the limit. One who sat at home with their feet up on boxing day and the other who chased Man Utd on a soggy, heavy pitch.

 

It's patently obvious that we were going to run out of steam before them. The level of their salaries is completely irrelevant.

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Are you serious?

 

well yeah - both teams had defensive lapses that led to the two goals, but especially towards the end of the first half we definitely looked like the more dangerous intent side. They were struggling to move around with any kind of patience and organisation and resorted to a few counter hits on the break, only one of which led to anything. Whereas we had more than a couple of well built up plays that whilst didnt result in any more goals, showed a lot more discipline than we have for a while - going forward at least, the back was still a shambles! :(

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well yeah - both teams had defensive lapses that led to the two goals, but especially towards the end of the first half we definitely looked like the more dangerous intent side. They were struggling to move around with any kind of patience and organisation and resorted to a few counter hits on the break, only one of which led to anything. Whereas we had more than a couple of well built up plays that whilst didnt result in any more goals, showed a lot more discipline than we have for a while - going forward at least, the back was still a shambles! :(

 

I've watched MOTD 4 times today and that's really not how it was, as much as I'd like it to be.

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So banshee is the Oslo 2?.....or have I got all that wrong too?....

 

No you're wrong.

Banshee is someone who loves the club and is sickened by the way things have gone after last season.

I'm 57 years old and sickened that, despite huge amounts of money and incredible support, we've won nowt.

Don't attempt to be more clever than you are.

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Wait wait wait

 

4 times?

 

Yeah, there's a modern medium whereby you can record television programmes and view them again.

I watched our match, a few times, to attempt to work out what happened instead of just spouting off.

Watching the game live doesn't always give an honest impression as you're too wound up at the time.

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Yeah, there's a modern medium whereby you can record television programmes and view them again.

I watched our match, a few times, to attempt to work out what happened instead of just spouting off.

Watching the game live doesn't always give an honest impression as you're too wound up at the time.

 

True that like. Not about the recording smart arse ;) but someone's I'd get back from the match and see a completely different game on MOTD. You could watch it several times and see different things.

 

Me? I didn't even watch MOTD once ;)

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True that like. Not about the recording smart arse ;) but someone's I'd get back from the match and see a completely different game on MOTD. You could watch it several times and see different things.

 

Me? I didn't even watch MOTD once ;)

 

Yes, I'm a smart arse but that doesn't make me a bad person. (That's all the other things.)

 

Seriously though, I was particularly watching how Colo was organising the defence on the 3rd and 4th occasions.

Not a pretty sight tbh, he was spinning like a top for most of the game.

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The way both our fullbacks were constantly caught out of position was the biggest issue from the game I watched.

Without Jonas or Hatem neither side had the additional normally afforded to them.

Bigi helped as much as he could and Squidward tracked back when possible but whereas Jonas lets Santon bomb forward and then sits behind him, Squidward was often past Santon as we tried to break forward.

And no offence to Cisse but he's not a winger and with someone like Simpson as your RB, they need all the help they can get defensively.

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Possibly the worst second half I've ever seen from a Newcastle side in all my time supporting the club.

 

Nevermind the fact we bossed them in the first, that was absolutely appalling. Entire team needs to feel ashamed of themselves because we just rolled over and conceded some shitty, shitty goals.

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Possibly the worst second half I've ever seen from a Newcastle side in all my time supporting the club.

 

Nevermind the fact we bossed them in the first, that was absolutely appalling. Entire team needs to feel ashamed of themselves because we just rolled over and conceded some shitty, shitty goals.

 

We came from behind twice in the second half and only capitulated in the 85th minute.

 

Some OTT reactions to a fresh arsenal taking advantage of our tiredness very late on.

 

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We came from behind twice in the second half and only capitulated in the 85th minute.

 

Some OTT reactions to a fresh arsenal taking advantage of our tiredness very late on.

Especially given that, at 4-3, Pardew "went for it" and gambled on attacking ability to win the day over defensive strength. He did the very thing CT (amongst others) have been lambasting him for not trying. He threw the dice and hoped our attacking players would be able to hold and use the ball better.

 

Everton is important, but a point would be ok. We should field a younger side against Brighton and really gun for it against Norwich, Reading and Villa. 8 points from the next 4 games would be a realistic aim, imo.

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