Dr Gloom 19841 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I didn’t hear it but those quotes could be taken to mean that they won the referendum. That doesn’t mean they won the economic or intellectual argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 40 minutes ago, ewerk said: So you'll know that he specifically stated that he's not saying that Brexit will be a success? He says quite clearly NOBODY knows how it will work out but it was the right thing to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 14 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: I didn’t hear it but those quotes could be taken to mean that they won the referendum. That doesn’t mean they won the economic or intellectual argument. He’s ashamed man for being so out of touch. https://t.co/Ne9DkeipaS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26484 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 He was talking about the two fingers to the establishment effect that the vote has had and how he didn't realise how out of touch he was with public feeling. He was talking shite anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30465 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3986 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Regrading Peston, the anti-establishment votes in the north etc will have affected the result but it keeps getting ignored that most leave votes were in the south outside London where the only real "excuse" is pig ignorance and racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19841 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I’d day that’s a fairly accurate summary: the liberal metropolitan elite were out of touch. They were clouded in their echo chambers and failed to see it coming. That doesn’t mean the leavers won the argument. They were protest voting, quite rightly in many cases, against the establishment and sticking two fingers up to the posh boys in Downing Street, but unfortunately they chose the wrong institution to go after and the poorest people who voted Brexit are the ones who will unfortunately see their already shit living standards hit hardest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19841 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, NJS said: Regrading Peston, the anti-establishment votes in the north etc will have affected the result but it keeps getting ignored that most leave votes were in the south outside London where the only real "excuse" is pig ignorance and racism. Yes, it’s those voters, who deserve the most criticism. Especially the older ones who have shafted future generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3986 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Yes, it’s those voters, who deserve the most criticism. Especially the older ones who have shafted future generations. It mirrors Trump. The anti-establishment vote was/is valid in terms of those groups being fucked over but the well off who voted that way have in a sense got away with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12768 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 23 minutes ago, NJS said: It mirrors Trump. The anti-establishment vote was/is valid in terms of those groups being fucked over but the well off who voted that way have in a sense got away with it And, once more, they get absolved of too much grief because people like to punch down these days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19841 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, NJS said: It mirrors Trump. The anti-establishment vote was/is valid in terms of those groups being fucked over but the well off who voted that way have in a sense got away with it like peston said in the article i linked to, it was the coalition of those two voter groups that won the referendum. Edited November 3, 2017 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26982 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 10 hours ago, NJS said: Regrading Peston, the anti-establishment votes in the north etc will have affected the result but it keeps getting ignored that most leave votes were in the south outside London where the only real "excuse" is pig ignorance and racism. Aye, it's getting on my tits how brexit is being solely blamed on the North when you've got any amount of southern towns going for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30465 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Howmanheyman said: Aye, it's getting on my tits how brexit is being solely blamed on the North when you've got any amount of southern towns going for it. If we're talking England and Wales it was, more or less, everywhere bar London and a few other cities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19841 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 small town and rural wankers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19841 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Thought provoking letter in the FT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30465 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: small town and rural wankers Like Birmingham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: Thought provoking letter in the FT Fair play to the author of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19841 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Alex said: Like Birmingham? Did they vote predominantly Brexit? Big town wankers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26484 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30465 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Jesus, that's fucking grim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 If he's right about the economic shock element, it could be enough to kick us into another GE. And tbh, at this point, we need as much damage to happen as possible before we're out in order to give us the best possible chance of turning it around again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr Gloom 19841 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Point of no return for the last industry that we’re still good at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ewerk 26484 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 What’s that? John Redwood is an absolute cunt? This is a shocking development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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