ewerk 29491 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Nearly two years since the vote and the government still doesn't have a clue what Brexit will look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34089 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, SpaceCadet said: Nothing is certain until next March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20420 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Nearly 4 minutes of my life wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2884 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Cambridge Analytica, the political consultancy at the centre of the Facebook data-sharing scandal, is shutting down. The firm was accused of improperly obtaining personal information on behalf of political clients. According to Facebook, data about up to 87 million of its members was harvested by an app and then passed on to the political consultancy. The social network said its own probe into the matter would continue. "This doesn't change our commitment and determination to understand exactly what happened and make sure it doesn't happen again," said a spokesman. "We are continuing with our investigation in cooperation with the relevant authorities." Cambridge Analytica: The story so far Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for Cambridge Analytica, referred the BBC to a statement on the firm's website. "Over the past several months, Cambridge Analytica has been the subject of numerous unfounded accusations and, despite the company's efforts to correct the record, has been vilified for activities that are not only legal, but also widely accepted as a standard component of online advertising in both the political and commercial arenas," it said. "Despite Cambridge Analytica's unwavering confidence that its employees have acted ethically and lawfully... the siege of media coverage has driven away virtually all of the company's customers and suppliers. "As a result, it has been determined that it is no longer viable to continue operating the business." The statement added that its parent company SCL Elections was also commencing bankruptcy proceedings. A journalist, whose investigation for the Observer newspaper first exposed the data privacy scandal, has suggested that the public remains sceptical. The chair of a UK parliament committee investigating the firm's activities also raised concerns about Cambridge Analytica and SCL Elections' move. "They are party to very serious investigations and those investigations cannot be impeded by the closure of these companies," said Damian Collins MP. "I think it's absolutely vital that the closure of these companies is not used as an excuse to try and limit or restrict the ability of the authorities to investigate what they were doing." The firm added that it had since deleted all the information despite claims to the contrary by others. Brexit link Earlier in the day, a cyber-security specialist had presented evidence to the UK parliament's Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee. Chris Vickery linked SCL and Cambridge Analytica to AggregateIQ - a Canadian data analytics firm, which Facebook has also suspended from using its platform. He added that "beyond a shadow of a doubt" AggregateIQ had been involved in "some form of collaboration or co-ordination" between various pro-Brexit groups during the UK's EU referendum campaign. AIQ denies ever being part of Cambridge Analytica, its parent company SCL or accessing improperly obtained Facebook data. And representatives from Vote Leave and Leave.EU have repeatedly denied any wrongdoing. But the Electoral Commission and Information Commissioner's Office are conducting their own investigations into the Canadian firm's operations. The ICO has also issued a statement about Cambridge Analytica's closure. "The ICO will continue its civil and criminal investigations and will seek to pursue individuals and directors as appropriate and necessary even where companies may no longer be operating," it said. "We will also monitor closely any successor companies using our powers to audit and inspect, to ensure the public is safeguarded." How the scandal unfolded 17 March: The Observer and the New York Times publish accounts by Cambridge Analytica's ex-employee Christopher Wylie, saying 50 million Facebook accounts were improperly harvested by the company 23 March: The UK's data watchdog is granted a warrant to search Cambridge Analytica's office 27 March: Christopher Wylie appears in front of a committee of UK MPs 4 April: Facebook says it now believes up to 87 million people's data was improperly shared with Cambridge Analytica 10 April: Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg is questioned by US lawmakers about the scandal 17 April: Alexander Nix, the former boss of Cambridge Analytica, refuses to appear before British MPs 26 April: The UK parliamentary committee threatens to issue Mark Zuckerberg with a "formal summons for him to appear when he is next in the UK" as questions remain unanswered 2 May: Cambridge Analytica announces its closure http://www.bbc.com/news/business-43983958 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5127 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Is that good news or bad news? I get that it's been thwarted by the psychos, but have they made it a more even run between sanity and lunacy now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29491 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 It was dead long ago after being rejected by the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5127 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 So it's good news then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20420 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Is that good news or bad news? I get that it's been thwarted by the psychos, but have they made it a more even run between sanity and lunacy now? Neither really. Both the customs partnership and Max fac options are completely unfeasible and as ewerk says have been rejected by the EU already. This country seems to be gripped by solipsism and completely oblivious to the fact the EU aren't even negotiating with us now, they're giving us an ultimatum. Things will come to a head in June before the long summer break politicians enjoy. By then it should be clear if it's brino or cliff. If it's the latter, start making preparations financially and stockpiling food and medicines etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5127 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Renton said: Neither really. Both the customs partnership and Max fac options are completely unfeasible and as ewerk says have been rejected by the EU already. This country seems to be gripped by solipsism and completely oblivious to the fact the EU aren't even negotiating with us now, they're giving us an ultimatum. Things will come to a head in June before the long summer break politicians enjoy. By then it should be clear if it's brino or cliff. If it's the latter, start making preparations financially and stockpiling food and medicines etc. Are you still confident it'll be "brino"..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20420 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Are you still confident it'll be "brino"..? You'd like to think sanity would prevail but I'm not confident because of the fucking terrible state of our domestic politics. I had hoped the civil service were running things behind the scenes but I do have my doubts. People completely underestimate what a hard Brexit would mean. There will be no transition. With us as a third country the EU will be in no mood to play nice. Planes will stop flying. Food shelves will empty. Cash points may empty. If the latter happens, there will be civil unrest. Will the politicians let this happen? You tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5127 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 I can see them lacking the competence to avoid such a thing, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34089 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Surely it's up to the EU to sort out this mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20420 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: I can see them lacking the competence to avoid such a thing, yes. Me too. The only positive is we will get some warning. If the withdrawal deal doesn't make it through prepare yourself for profound economic and social shock and one or two lost generations. On a side a side note, I really dont know who to vote for today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5127 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Just now, Renton said: Me too. The only positive is we will get some warning. If the withdrawal deal doesn't make it through prepare yourself for profound economic and social shock and one or two lost generations. On a side a side note, I really dont know who to vote for today. It's a local election, just vote for whoever is likely to do the best job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20420 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: It's a local election, just vote for whoever is likely to do the best job. Naah, this is much more important than that, it's a barometer. I guess I'll have to go for Renew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5127 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 All that's going to happen is that Labour will do less well than whatever anyone thought they should, and we'll descend into distraction from Tory incompetence once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29491 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 22 minutes ago, Renton said: solipsism Easy on there Fish-lite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34089 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rayvin said: All that's going to happen is that Labour will do less well than whatever anyone thought they should, and we'll descend into distraction from Tory incompetence once again. The trouble is that's probably all Corbyn is ever going to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5127 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Alex said: The trouble is that's probably all Corbyn is ever going to be Yep, quite possibly true. Still though, Labour can't be allowed to go back to the centre without reform first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20420 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Well, while the cabinet are still arguing with each other about two customs options which have already been rejected by the EU, with only 11 months to go hardly anyone seems to have picked up on that we need to stay in the SM to enable trade with our partners. Why the fuck nobody is picking up on this I don't know. At least the Guardian has at last reported the potential impact on our food supply. Hope your freezer is bigger than your fridge because we'll be eating a lot less fresh food soon. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/03/post-brexit-port-checks-could-disrupt-fresh-food-supplies-say-freight-bosses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4437 Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, Renton said: Well, while the cabinet are still arguing with each other about two customs options which have already been rejected by the EU, with only 11 months to go hardly anyone seems to have picked up on that we need to stay in the SM to enable trade with our partners. Why the fuck nobody is picking up on this I don't know. At least the Guardian has at last reported the potential impact on our food supply. Hope your freezer is bigger than your fridge because we'll be eating a lot less fresh food soon. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/03/post-brexit-port-checks-could-disrupt-fresh-food-supplies-say-freight-bosses Typical Guardian project fear nonsense. No tomato’s after Brexit FFS switch to The Mail or The Sun or Beano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20420 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: Typical Guardian project fear nonsense. No tomato’s after Brexit FFS switch to The Mail or The Sun or Beano If you start addressing the substance and articulate why you disagree, rather than attacking the source, we might get somewhere. We know that's beyond you though. Do you even know what the SM is and why it exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4437 Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Renton said: If you start addressing the substance and articulate why you disagree, rather than attacking the source, we might get somewhere. We know that's beyond you though. Do you even know what the SM is and why it exists? We’ve done it to death and I’ve got gardening to do. But if you honestly believe there will be no tomato’s after Brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20420 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Just now, Christmas Tree said: We’ve done it to death and I’ve got gardening to do. But if you honestly believe there will be no tomato’s after Brexit Yeah, because that's what the article said. I promised not to do this again anyway, do your gardening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29491 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Typical Guardian project fear nonsense. No tomato’s after Brexit FFS switch to The Mail or The Sun or Beano But surely you admit that there will have to be checks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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