Christmas Tree 4003 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Renton said: Aye a story, told to you verbally, which you can't back up. Just like stories about how EU immigrants are given council houses and benefits preferentially to indiginous people. Xenophobic bullshit. You're an interesting case study on this whole mess. Ignore data. Ignore statistics. Ignore experts. Just believe any old shit to back up your prejudice. In the interests of balance, I'm not saying there might not be isolated cases of what you claim happening, possibly illegally. But if it were a widespread problem, there would be evidence of this you could provide. As usual, you can't. Sigh, xenophobic, racist, prejudiced, thick etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Renton said: Well, I work in the NHS CT, and my wages have fallen about 15% in real terms since the Tories took office. Incidentally, the much heralded pay increase NHS employees are getting won't benefit the 50% of workers on top of their bands, but I digress. Now, do I blame the EU for this or an ongoing decade of austerity from Whitehall? Hmmm, tricky one. Labour obvs. But how would you feel if we started bringing in people from abroad to do your job for half your current wage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30755 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 It's Labour's fault now. It'll be the EU's fault for the next couple of decades after we leave. Obvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 46 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: The almost complete end of UK shipbuilding has fuck all to do with the EU and freedom of movement. Choosing to import cheap labour rather than keep existing staff or train apprentices however, does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30755 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Unwittingly making other people's points for them now Thick as fucking mince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18015 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: Labour obvs. But how would you feel if we started bringing in people from abroad to do your job for half your current wage? Not happy, obviously. But I've asked you for evidence that it's happening elsewhere and you can't provide it. There is evidence to the contrary though. Xenophobia is an irrational fear or dislike of foreigners. Until you provide evidence eastern Europeans are negatively affecting us, I'll continue to call you xenophobic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26770 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 How do you think a business would do in an international market by intentionally paying more to use British staff rather than using foreign labour? (Not that I'm saying that's what happening.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18015 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 It's funny because at the time of the referendum I remember distinctly and categorically CT insisted his vote wasn't about immigration. And now it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30755 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Renton said: It's funny because at the time of the referendum I remember distinctly and categorically CT insisted his vote wasn't about immigration. And now it is. He cares so much about the working class in the north east. Which is why he's voted Tory all his adult life. Obvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14136 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, ewerk said: How do you think a business would do in an international market by intentionally paying more to use British staff rather than using foreign labour? Depends, are they any good at making blue passports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Renton said: Not happy, obviously. But I've asked you for evidence that it's happening elsewhere and you can't provide it. There is evidence to the contrary though. Xenophobia is an irrational fear or dislike of foreigners. Until you provide evidence eastern Europeans are negatively affecting us, I'll continue to call you xenophobic. I’ve give you real life evidence and there’s plenty of study’s on it. It doesn’t effect you and goes against your EU love in so isn’t real. Edited March 28, 2018 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26770 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 That's worth £120m of anyone's money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26770 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: I’ve give you real life evidence and there’s plenty of study’s on it. It doesn’t effect you and goes against your EU love in so isn’t real. Which study's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, ewerk said: How do you think a business would do in an international market by intentionally paying more to use British staff rather than using foreign labour? (Not that I'm saying that's what happening.) Simply taking that view should see us do away with minimum wage etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26770 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 So we should pay extra to use British staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Renton said: It's funny because at the time of the referendum I remember distinctly and categorically CT insisted his vote wasn't about immigration. And now it is. At times you come across as such a prick you could be an Eaton Tory MP. My vote was never about immigration but that doesn’t make me blind to the benefits of having a sensible immigration system that suits our country. (As most countries in the world operate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18015 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: I’ve give you real life evidence and there’s plenty of study’s on it. It doesn’t effect you and goes against your EU love in so isn’t real. Well that's better I suppose but can you give a link to the actual study? There's not enough detail there to conclude anything. I need to see methods and data. Do you not think it strange that where you live, Sunderland, has a try proportion of EU immigrants? You really think they are significantly lowering wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26770 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 By sensible you mean reduced immigration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Renton said: Well that's better I suppose but can you give a link to the actual study? There's not enough detail there to conclude anything. I need to see methods and data. No fuck off. 1 minute ago, Renton said: Do you not think it strange that where you live, Sunderland, has a try proportion of EU immigrants? You really think they are significantly lowering wages? I don’t live in Sunderland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18015 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: At times you come across as such a prick you could be an Eaton Tory MP. My vote was never about immigration but that doesn’t make me blind to the benefits of having a sensible immigration system that suits our country. (As most countries in the world operate). What was it about then? Dr Fox's crusade for global trade or taking back control? What a load of horse shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18015 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Just now, Christmas Tree said: No fuck off. I don’t live in Sunderland Seriously, you can't provide a link? Do you trust publications that don't cite their sources? I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: By sensible you mean reduced immigration? No. I mean sensible. I know it would be easier for you if I was a racist. Sorry By sensible, I mean meeting the skills we need as well as the domestic stuff I mentioned yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26770 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 And after one story you heard you think we need less foreign ship builders? What other areas do you feel we're over supplied with foreigners? And how does that tally with the record employment levels you like to crow on about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, Renton said: Seriously, you can't provide a link? Do you trust publications that don't cite their sources? I don't. Full Fact, the UK’s independent fact checking charity isn’t good enough for you You want to assess their methodology and data Have a word with yourself man trying to win an argument on a football forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18015 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Full Fact, the UK’s independent fact checking charity isn’t good enough for you You want to assess their methodology and data Have a word with yourself man trying to win an argument on a football forum Hmmm. This may surprise you but I'm genuinely interested in the subject and want to know the truth of the matter. I'm studying economics at masters level. A screen grab like that doesn't really have enough detail on it to make any informed judgement. And for me it's never been about winning an argument on a football message board, you're describing your own motives. I've invested this time talking about this because I think it's the most important issue of our times, and am genuinely concerned for the future of this country and especially the NE. I can't see that is an utterly alien concept to you. As you were. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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