Politics

[Isegrim 10916]

I have considered myself as an educated person in the past, but seeing fascist narratives becoming mainstream opinion I simply don’t give a fuck outside of my work confronting the erosion of the rule of law.

 

People can seriously fuck off tbh.

[Rayvin 6709]

https://news.sky.com/story/reform-would-win-most-seats-in-general-election-in-depth-poll-suggests-13388577

 

Reform to win most seats but not enough to form majority.

 

The majority of voters prefer to vote away from the two main parties for the first time.

[Monkeys Fist 47221]

In 2024, Northumbria Police destroyed two boxes of documents relating to the 1984 miners strike, and more specifically, the Battle of Orgreave. 
 

“We can confirm two boxes containing data in relation to the miners' strike were disposed of in April 2024 following a formal review, retain or disposal process in line with force policy and the Data Protection Act 2018”

Wankers. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8zyjk9433o
 

[wykikitoon 24491]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJuJhUjyEB3/?igsh=MXBtbjhiNjI1eDl1NA==

 

 

[Rayvin 6709]

Well said although I would have been interested to hear more of his rebuttal. Not much anyone can do about it now tbh.

[NJS 4811]

I'll admit to not having read all of the details but it looks to me like the "concessions" they've made on the benefits cuts make them even bigger cunts than before if such a thing is possible. 

 

If you're already disabled then you can keep your benefits but if you get hit by a bus or get MND from now on then you'll get the reduced levels. Lovely. 

[Gemmill 53715]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/27/keir-starmer-says-he-deeply-regrets-island-of-strangers-speech

 

Here you go Renton, he regrets the immigration speech. Too busy trying to sound like an immigration hard lad to actually stop and think about the words that were coming out of his gob.

[Rayvin 6709]

Fucking amateur.

[RobinRobin 13257]

[Rayvin 6709]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/bridget-phillipson-britons-children-birth-rates/

 

Bridget calling for people to have more kids. I guess thats the inevitable flip side of cracking down on immigration. Problem is many young people aren't interested because society is so fucked.

 

If I'd been born even ten years earlier I'm sure I would have had some myself, but its never materialised for me sadly. Money and stability just haven't permitted it even in my longer running relationships.

 

I really do hate this country tbh. Funny how that can happen, I loved it once.

[Renton 25032]

7 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/bridget-phillipson-britons-children-birth-rates/

 

Bridget calling for people to have more kids. I guess thats the inevitable flip side of cracking down on immigration. Problem is many young people aren't interested because society is so fucked.

 

If I'd been born even ten years earlier I'm sure I would have had some myself, but its never materialised for me sadly. Money and stability just haven't permitted it even in my longer running relationships.

 

I really do hate this country tbh. Funny how that can happen, I loved it once.

 

Declining birth rates are a huge issue, in fact, with climate change probably the biggest issue the west has. Not just the UK, in places like South Korea and Japan it's catastrophic. In the former, they have provided loads of incentives for people to have more kids to no avail. So it's not just financial, but this is undoubtedly important.

 

Without indigenous young people, you need to import people from places like India and Africa to fill the gap. Over time this will undoubtedly change the demographic makeup of the country and cause issues we are witnessing today.

 

So Bridget is probably  right (frankly I can't be bothered to read what she says), but what's laughable is her thinking she can change things by just telling people what to do and without MASSIVELY incentivising having children.

 

It's absolutely crippling financially in this country. The cost of childcare, food, clothes, education, holidays. All the while the strain of it sets you back in your job as in my experience having children just isn't recognised as something that needs to be worked around. I also spent a decade so focused on the needs of my kids I kind of just let my career trundle on, not wanting more stress through responsibility. Only now trying to change that.

 

Sorry you feel the way you do about the UK, but most is down to 14 years of the last lot. We'll struggle to fix that now, maybe it's not possible. But on this issue, it's not UK specific. It's affecting the entire "first" world.

 

[Meenzer 17018]

If it helps at all, it's perfectly possible to let a career just trundle on even without kids as the reason.   

[ewerk 34979]

I pay the price of a mortgage every month for two kids’ childcare. If I added a third then it wouldn’t be worth the wife going to work. It’s a massive problem. And of course we don’t get the 30 hours free childcare that you lot get in England, although even that only kicks in over a certain age.

[Renton 25032]

3 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

If it helps at all, it's perfectly possible to let a career just trundle on even without kids as the reason.   

 

Aye.

 

[Rayvin 6709]

34 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Declining birth rates are a huge issue, in fact, with climate change probably the biggest issue the west has. Not just the UK, in places like South Korea and Japan it's catastrophic. In the former, they have provided loads of incentives for people to have more kids to no avail. So it's not just financial, but this is undoubtedly important.

 

Without indigenous young people, you need to import people from places like India and Africa to fill the gap. Over time this will undoubtedly change the demographic makeup of the country and cause issues we are witnessing today.

 

So Bridget is probably  right (frankly I can't be bothered to read what she says), but what's laughable is her thinking she can change things by just telling people what to do and without MASSIVELY incentivising having children.

 

It's absolutely crippling financially in this country. The cost of childcare, food, clothes, education, holidays. All the while the strain of it sets you back in your job as in my experience having children just isn't recognised as something that needs to be worked around. I also spent a decade so focused on the needs of my kids I kind of just let my career trundle on, not wanting more stress through responsibility. Only now trying to change that.

 

Sorry you feel the way you do about the UK, but most is down to 14 years of the last lot. We'll struggle to fix that now, maybe it's not possible. But on this issue, it's not UK specific. It's affecting the entire "first" world.

 

 

I honestly feel like if they just made homes affordable it would make things a lot better on this front. Labour seem to be doing absolutely nothing on that front and I've no clue why in all honesty.

 

As for hating the country, that followed Brexit specifically so I'm not exactly too worked up otherwise, but there are no solutions to any of this in the current administration. Treating symptoms and not causes.

[Meenzer 17018]

4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

I honestly feel like if they just made homes affordable it would make things a lot better on this front. Labour seem to be doing absolutely nothing on that front and I've no clue why in all honesty.

 

A lot of vested interests there tbh. Labour MPs don't want the value of their homes and property portfolios to go down, and no floating voter is going to vote for it either. I fully agree though, house prices are one of the big issues crippling this country (and the west generally, it's not just a UK thing obviously).

[Rayvin 6709]

5 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

 

A lot of vested interests there tbh. Labour MPs don't want the value of their homes and property portfolios to go down, and no floating voter is going to vote for it either. I fully agree though, house prices are one of the big issues crippling this country (and the west generally, it's not just a UK thing obviously).

 

If that is genuinely the reason this doesn't happen then we deserve the hellscape we're heading towards.

[spongebob toonpants 4651]

45 minutes ago, Renton said:

Without indigenous young people, you need to import people from places like India and Africa to fill the gap. Over time this will undoubtedly change the demographic makeup of the country

This would be a good thing in my opinion

There also plenty of Eurooeans who could be "imported"

 

My kids are both in their 30's. I'd be astonished if either of them became parents

[Gemmill 53715]

25 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

If it helps at all, it's perfectly possible to let a career just trundle on even without kids as the reason.   

 

Correct.

 

On a serious note though, I don't know why anyone would have kids here these days. The country is dropping to bits, the climate is upside down, most people are complete fucking wankers, and it's all getting worse every year. 

 

[Renton 25032]

7 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said:

This would be a good thing in my opinion

There also plenty of Eurooeans who could be "imported"

 

My kids are both in their 30's. I'd be astonished if either of them became parents

 

I'm fairly agnostic to whether it's a good thing or not tbh, but clearly a lot of people don't think it is which is leading to Reform etc. And I'm unsure how sustainable it is, surely a population should be approximately self replacing? Surely it's wrong young adults can't experience the joys (and misery) of parenthood due to barriers imposed so we just have immigration to fill the gaps?

 

Of course the impact of AI remains to be seen. Fuck knows what the future holds tbh.

[spongebob toonpants 4651]

9 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

I'm fairly agnostic to whether it's a good thing or not tbh, but clearly a lot of people don't think it is which is leading to Reform etc. And I'm unsure how sustainable it is, surely a population should be approximately self replacing? Surely it's wrong young adults can't experience the joys (and misery) of parenthood due to barriers imposed so we just have immigration to fill the gaps?

 

Of course the impact of AI remains to be seen. Fuck knows what the future holds tbh.

The best way to beat reform is to have some policies designed to help the worse off rather than benefit the corperations and protect  the rich

 

The world's population is expanding repaidly, its a mistake to think in narrow nationalist terms

[Renton 25032]

Just now, spongebob toonpants said:

The best way to beat reform is to have some policies designed to help the worse off rather than benefit the corperations and protect  the rich

 

The world's population is expanding repaidly, its a mistake to think in narrow nationalist terms

 

We live as nation states though. If you're arguing open borders then nah, I don't agree. We had the best arrangement with the EU with FoM. But the EU and UK needs to have external borders with the rest of the world and not allow unfettered economic migration from the developing world.

 

It's not good for those countries either, us cream skimming their most educated people. Surely the best thing to do would be to pull up living standards in India and Africa? That will also decrease their own birth rate which is needed because of climate change etc.

[RobinRobin 13257]

21 minutes ago, Renton said:

Of course the impact of AI remains to be seen. Fuck knows what the future holds tbh.

Ask ChatGPT? 

[spongebob toonpants 4651]

18 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

We live as nation states though. If you're arguing open borders then nah, I don't agree. We had the best arrangement with the EU with FoM. But the EU and UK needs to have external borders with the rest of the world and not allow unfettered economic migration from the developing world.

 

It's not good for those countries either, us cream skimming their most educated people. Surely the best thing to do would be to pull up living standards in India and Africa? That will also decrease their own birth rate which is needed because of climate change etc.

We had open borders with Europe and that helped raise the living standards in the less well of states. Surely that's the best evidence available that open borders is a good thing

An influx of healthy young workers who send money home then return when they've made some money is what happens in the majority of cases. Not to conflate economic refugees with asylum seekers whom I assume you wouldn't turn away

 

[spongebob toonpants 4651]

Also we've spent centuries exploiting Africa and the sub continent. Bit harsh to turn them away now