Politics

[Howmanheyman 39040]

3 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Gen Z is anyone from late 90s to around 2010, from memory - so we're just about to start seeing the Alphas hit adulthood in the coming few years.

 

Z followed Millennials.

 

And I have no idea man, I suspect the media just throw shit around until something sticks and we all run with it.

 

 

I'm generation WTF?

[Rayvin 6730]

https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/money/pensions-and-retirement/scrap-triple-lock-pension-avoid-retirement-age-3782377?srsltid=AfmBOorlAA9z_DajefmuN3ocDjT-wcxP30L8_30fCrIphguGuf_RN2An

 

IFS has come out and said we need to scrap the triple lock or raise retirement to 74. This is due to the lock costing an extra £40bn by 2050, due to an ageing population. They won't get rid of it now though because #boomerlivesmatter

 

As I said before, Gen Z and Alpha will literally be tearing the country apart when they realise the degree to which they've been fucked over. Tbh I might be too at that point. As it's happening, I will ponder whimsically on how the markets might be reacting.

[Toonpack 12727]

8 hours ago, Rayvin said:

 

Gen Z is anyone from late 90s to around 2010, from memory - so we're just about to start seeing the Alphas hit adulthood in the coming few years.

 

Z followed Millennials.

 

And I have no idea man, I suspect the media just throw shit around until something sticks and we all run with it.

 

Just yet another mechanism to divide people and set folks against each other.

[Gemmill 53890]

Ok boomer. 

[Renton 25125]

3 hours ago, Toonpack said:

 

Just yet another mechanism to divide people and set folks against each other.

 

He's right though. The young have been inexplicably shafted by the old. I am much nearer the old camp than the young camp, and it still makes me feel sick tbh.

[Toonpack 12727]

32 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

He's right though. The young have been inexplicably shafted by the old. I am much nearer the old camp than the young camp, and it still makes me feel sick tbh.

 

The young have been shafted by governments and corporations NOT the old, what utter bollocks, am sure "old" people went through life doing stuff on the basis of  "muhahahahaha what can I do today to fuck it up for my kids and grandkids". Utter divisive/deflectionary tripe !!!!

 

Is the world fucked up, absolutely, but it's not the fault of members of the general public irrespective of age.

 

Good to have someone to blame, who's not the real person to blame though, job done.

 

You'll disagree, so feel free to point out to me exactly what I (as  67 yr old) have done to shaft the young (in a non Gary Glitter way)??

[NJS 4826]

In general they voted for brexit and consistently vote tory. 

[Rayvin 6730]

I understand TPs point but I have some of those vox pops from Brexit etched into my brain.

 

"What if its harder for your children in their future?"

 

"Dont care, sovereignty!"

 

"What if your son loses his job"

 

"Dont care, sovereignty!!!!"

 

It makes it intensely difficult to view it as just something the government and corporations did. The government and corporations didn't want Brexit.

[Gemmill 53890]

I think I've mentioned this on here before but when my job was at risk cos of Brexit, my own mother told me that "well if you can't find another job with your CV, you're doing something wrong". 

 

Honestly, I paint a bad picture of my mam on here, but in reality it's anything for her kids and if anyone does anything to upset either of us she'd murder them. 

 

But Brexit was this fucking thing for people like her that sent them completely daft. That was the first time she'd ever said anything like that to me, and the first time it was clear that her brain was starting to melt because of Facebook. 

 

One of my old mates from school contacted me a few years back and said "do you see the stuff your mam puts up on Facebook?". I don't cos I'm not on there, but I fucking dread to think. 

[Renton 25125]

22 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

The young have been shafted by governments and corporations NOT the old, what utter bollocks, am sure "old" people went through life doing stuff on the basis of  "muhahahahaha what can I do today to fuck it up for my kids and grandkids". Utter divisive/deflectionary tripe !!!!

 

Is the world fucked up, absolutely, but it's not the fault of members of the general public irrespective of age.

 

Good to have someone to blame, who's not the real person to blame though, job done.

 

You'll disagree, so feel free to point out to me exactly what I (as  67 yr old) have done to shaft the young (in a non Gary Glitter way)??

 

The "old' have enabled conservative government's all my life. They vote for policies to enrich themselves at the expense of the young. And Brexit.

 

It's not all old people of course, including exemptions for your good self I'm sure. But it is still a general truth. 

 

The older my mum has got, the more bigoted and judgmental she has become. Seems to me that this happens to a lot of older people as they age. I hope I end up more like you TP than her tbh. It scares me I might end up like that.

Edited 15 hours ago by Renton

[Gemmill 53890]

I think the answer to the question is Brexit, voting Tory, buying up property for rental income. 

 

And then to top it off, and I don't know if this is a majority or a vocal minority, but being absolute fucking cunts when it's suggested to them that young people face hardships that they never had to contend with. "Eat less avocado toast" and all the shite about snowflakes and being too soft, etc. 

 

These twats bought 4 bed houses for under £20k and retire on unbelievable pensions. My mam didn't work for the vast majority of my childhood and has a pension I might just about surpass having worked all of my adult life in jobs that pay multiples of what she would have been earning. 

[Craig 8121]

4 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

I think I've mentioned this on here before but when my job was at risk cos of Brexit, my own mother told me that "well if you can't find another job with your CV, you're doing something wrong". 

 

Honestly, I paint a bad picture of my mam on here, but in reality it's anything for her kids and if anyone does anything to upset either of us she'd murder them. 

 

But Brexit was this fucking thing for people like her that sent them completely daft. That was the first time she'd ever said anything like that to me, and the first time it was clear that her brain was starting to melt because of Facebook. 

 

One of my old mates from school contacted me a few years back and said "do you see the stuff your mam puts up on Facebook?". I don't cos I'm not on there, but I fucking dread to think. 

You could genuinely be writing that about my Dad and Step Mam. When Dad realised I've voted remain he told me I'd "made a clear mistake which was understandable as I wasn't alive in 1973 so have no understanding of what sovereignty is". I mean, how condescending can you get?! It's one of the only times in 50 years I've told him to fuck off.

My Step-Mam .... forever texting me pro-Brexit propaganda which I just ignore. Every now and then I have a go and tell her to stop sending me bilious nonsense that I don't subscribe to and she relents ... for no more than a couple of weeks and then it starts again.

[Renton 25125]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

I think the answer to the question is Brexit, voting Tory, buying up property for rental income. 

 

And then to top it off, and I don't know if this is a majority or a vocal minority, but being absolute fucking cunts when it's suggested to them that young people face hardships that they never had to contend with. "Eat less avocado toast" and all the shite about snowflakes and being too soft, etc. 

 

These twats bought 4 bed houses for under £20k and retire on unbelievable pensions. My mam didn't work for the vast majority of my childhood and has a pension I might just about surpass having worked all of my adult life in jobs that pay multiples of what she would have been earning. 

 

This x1000. My mum, with her prinlvate pension she got part time as a clerk (would be minimum wage now), my dad's teacher pension still paid after his death, and the state pension, is on more money than most 30 year old graduates in full time work. No mortgage of course.

 

Now undoubtedly I'll be a beneficiary of this, and my kids will be pn my death. But that is fucking wrong, life just becomes a lottery on how rich your parents are. For those from disadvantaged backgrounds, well, you are fucked my son. Social mobility really isn't a thing in this country any more. The only difference between Labour and the Tories is the former want it to be, whereas the latter don't. But increasingly it doesn't matter, the outcome is the same.

[NJS 4826]

14 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

I think the answer to the question is Brexit, voting Tory, buying up property for rental income. 

 

And then to top it off, and I don't know if this is a majority or a vocal minority, but being absolute fucking cunts when it's suggested to them that young people face hardships that they never had to contend with. "Eat less avocado toast" and all the shite about snowflakes and being too soft, etc. 

 

These twats bought 4 bed houses for under £20k and retire on unbelievable pensions. My mam didn't work for the vast majority of my childhood and has a pension I might just about surpass having worked all of my adult life in jobs that pay multiples of what she would have been earning. 

During the pandemic I saw a survey about whether it was a good thing that people could work from home and whether it should be encouraged. Those over 65 overwhelmingly opposed this notion. I took it that in general they don't want following generations to have better lives than they did in any way. 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by NJS

[Gemmill 53890]

2 minutes ago, NJS said:

During the pandemic I saw a survey about whether it was a good thing that people could work from home and whether it should be encouraged. Those over 65 overwhelmingly opposed this notion. I took it that in general they don't want following generations to have better lives than they did in any way. 

 

 

I think there were similar surveys when Sunak floated his ridiculous national service idea (remember that ffs?!). 

[PaddockLad 20269]

58 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

The young have been shafted by governments and corporations NOT the old, what utter bollocks, am sure "old" people went through life doing stuff on the basis of  "muhahahahaha what can I do today to fuck it up for my kids and grandkids". Utter divisive/deflectionary tripe !!!!

 

Is the world fucked up, absolutely, but it's not the fault of members of the general public irrespective of age.

 

Good to have someone to blame, who's not the real person to blame though, job done.

 

You'll disagree, so feel free to point out to me exactly what I (as  67 yr old) have done to shaft the young (in a non Gary Glitter way)??

 

Did you vote Tory at any point up to, including and after the 1979 general election? 

[Renton 25125]

6 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

 

Did you vote Tory at any point up to, including and after the 1979 general election? 

 

[Howmanheyman 39040]

Almost had an argument with the missus when as a by-product of talking about the pip fiasco which obviously could affect us she in a roundabout way put immigration as a problem which should be looked at before the disabled, I mentioned the phillipson comments the other day about falling birth rates and they just needed to reverse Brexit and get rich cunts to start to pay their taxes for a start and her reply was Brexit will never be reversed as they'd be kicked out straight away. I said the polls are overwhelmingly anti-brexit but she disagrees when it comes down to it, but the absolute zinger was me saying, in relation to the falling birth rate, that young people aren't having kids because of the state of the cost of living/shit deal they have etc and she reposted a lot of it was to do with being taken over in our country!!! I couldn't believe what my corbynista wife was saying? I got up to make the dinner as it was starting to get heated but I should've said 'I bet Corbyn wouldn't agree with you?' I put this 100% on Facebook and reading shit like the chronicle letters page. She'll argue disability rights with people on there and she'll be right but it's almost like the conquer and divide arguement in action with regards to immigration. 

Edited 13 hours ago by Howmanheyman

[Gemmill 53890]

Tough one when it's your missus saying that stuff. Sounds like she needs to spend some time in the Toontastic Re-education Camp. Get that woman a login! 

[The Fish 11676]

5 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

I think the answer to the question is Brexit, voting Tory, buying up property for rental income. 

 

And then to top it off, and I don't know if this is a majority or a vocal minority, but being absolute fucking cunts when it's suggested to them that young people face hardships that they never had to contend with. "Eat less avocado toast" and all the shite about snowflakes and being too soft, etc. 

 

These twats bought 4 bed houses for under £20k and retire on unbelievable pensions. My mam didn't work for the vast majority of my childhood and has a pension I might just about surpass having worked all of my adult life in jobs that pay multiples of what she would have been earning. 

 

Yeah I've even started to hear this from my vehemently Labour voting parents. I mentioned how childcare is now up to £80 a day and my dad said that people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them. I was genuinely raging. We're pretty lucky in that we both have jobs and both earn a decent amount. We shop modestly, we drive reasonable cars, we save money where we can and we aren't frivolous. However, we can't account for mortgages going up as much as they did, we can't account for utility bills exploding, we can't account for old cunts voting for Brexit because of "reasons" meaning among other things that food shops are vastly more expensive. 

 

I'm paying about £200 a month on gas and electric, paying about £1k a month on childcare, the same on the mortgage. Cutting back on avocados or Netflix isn't going to plug those financial gaps, Dad. 

 

 

[Alex 38516]

I heard an interview with Adam Curtis about his film ‘Hypernormalisation’ and what it means. He goes into a bit about the likes of Facebook and how the tech evangelists from Silicon Valley who created the algorithms will argue they are efficient. Because they create communities of like minded people who only see views and opinions they like. Apart from the untruths around things like Brexit being perpetuated though, which is an obvious negative to me, Curtis also points out this is deeply conservative as it stifles new ways of thinking. He argues the left has fallen into this trap and that the echo chambers it creates means all mainstream political movements have become essentially conservative. And that was about 10 years ago and things have moved on since then. But not for the better. How we or politicians manoeuvre out of this now is difficult to imagine without some sort of revolutionary change in the way people think. Another point is that people instinctively know things are getting worse and living standards are falling for most but feel completely powerless. They feel similar about political leaders. And that mindset is conservative too. Because you resist the big changes needed through fear of losing everything. So become complicit in that decline by accepting it. 
And on that happy note….

[Howmanheyman 39040]

26 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Tough one when it's your missus saying that stuff. Sounds like she needs to spend some time in the Toontastic Re-education Camp. Get that woman a login! 

 

Your last sentence....

 

 

Seriously, she's spot on still on most stuff but I can see bits creeping in and it's definitely Facebook and what/who she's seeing seeping in a little. (She's also a remainer).

Edited 13 hours ago by Howmanheyman

[The Fish 11676]

17 minutes ago, Alex said:

I heard an interview with Adam Curtis about his film ‘Hypernormalisation’ and what it means. He goes into a bit about the likes of Facebook and how the tech evangelists from Silicon Valley who created the algorithms will argue they are efficient. Because they create communities of like minded people who only see views and opinions they like. Apart from the untruths around things like Brexit being perpetuated though, which is an obvious negative to me, Curtis also points out this is deeply conservative as it stifles new ways of thinking. He argues the left has fallen into this trap and that the echo chambers it creates means all mainstream political movements have become essentially conservative. And that was about 10 years ago and things have moved on since then. But not for the better. How we or politicians manoeuvre out of this now is difficult to imagine without some sort of revolutionary change in the way people think. Another point is that people instinctively know things are getting worse and living standards are falling for most but feel completely powerless. They feel similar about political leaders. And that mindset is conservative too. Because you resist the big changes needed through fear of losing everything. So become complicit in that decline by accepting it. 
And on that happy note….

[The Fish 11676]

Just now, Howmanheyman said:

 

Your last sentence....

 

 

Seriously, she's spot on still on most stuff but I can see bits creeping in and it's definitely Facebook and what/who she's seeing seeping in a little.

I had to guide the Mrs away from Daily Mail online. She said she was only reading the celebrity shit but there was a distinct change in her step... way more goose-like.

[Renton 25125]

22 minutes ago, Alex said:

Silicon Valley who created the algorithms will argue they are efficient. Because they create communities of like minded people who only see views and opinions they like

 

Wow man, so what you're actually saying is Andrew is from Silicon Valley and we on Toontastic are all part of the algorithm, man?

 

 

I have one fact that destroys this theory.