RobinRobin 14485 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 16 hours ago, wykikitoon said: Man, I am not working got minimum wage fam to wipe a grannies batty, no way fam. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62979 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 7 hours ago, AgentAxeman said: Deluded some of you daft sods. Well come on then fucking brainbox. Tell us who and where they're going wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28481 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 584 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Well come on then fucking brainbox. Tell us who and where they're going wrong. Na, what's the point? Nobody will ever shift from their position be it left or right. Argue amongst yourselves. Edited November 13 by AgentAxeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62979 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 1 minute ago, AgentAxeman said: Na, what's the point? Nobody will ever shift from their position be it left or right. Argue amongst yourselves. As expected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27739 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 9 hours ago, Rayvin said: Also reading that they're considering introducing a lower limit on tax free pension contributions...? Meaning essentially that people who are still working/the young will be paying more than anyone previously has been, in order to pay the pensions of the people who have already retired now. And when these same young people retire, they will be tens of thousands worse off than they should have been. I don't really know what to do with my rage around Labour to be honest. How can they claim to be a party for working people while thieving people's pension contributions to cover for the fact that Brexit has destroyed the country? I agree, but at the same time, nobody ever addresses the simple elephant in the room of the demographic shift, the changing working/retired shift. The young are being shafted though, definitely. I don't know what the solution is but I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as saying "wealth tax" three times and everything being fine and dandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12322 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 50 minutes ago, AgentAxeman said: Na, what's the point? Nobody will ever shift from their position be it left or right. Argue amongst yourselves. Compelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39128 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 FFS, finally we have someone with all the answers to the country's ills. Surprisingly though he's refusing to tell it like it is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39128 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 10 hours ago, Rayvin said: Also reading that they're considering introducing a lower limit on tax free pension contributions...? Meaning essentially that people who are still working/the young will be paying more than anyone previously has been, in order to pay the pensions of the people who have already retired now. And when these same young people retire, they will be tens of thousands worse off than they should have been. I don't really know what to do with my rage around Labour to be honest. How can they claim to be a party for working people while thieving people's pension contributions to cover for the fact that Brexit has destroyed the country? For years now the government has been telling people to increase their pensions yet now they're actively making that less advantageous. This is most certainly a tax on working people. Meanwhile cunts like me can choose to put £60k a year from my business into a pension completely tax free while also saving £15k on my corporation tax bill. How does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 584 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62979 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 So don't turn up and announce that people are deluded then. If you're not prepared to share your actual views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39128 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 I too find that refusing to 44 minutes ago, AgentAxeman said: If you've paid any attention to this thread at all you'll see that pretty much every poster contributing will openly admit that they don't have all the answers. If you believe that you do then chances are you're most likely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8295 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 I'm 100% open to changing my opinion on anything, the reason it seldom happens is because I'll only do so based on reality and arguments made with compelling evidence. Strongly suspect what we'd be served up here though is a lot of "gut feel" and "I'm alright Jack, so everyone else must be". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27739 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: Strongly suspect what we'd be served up here though is a lot of "gut feel" and "I'm alright Jack, so everyone else must be". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 584 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 5 minutes ago, ewerk said: I too find that refusing to If you've paid any attention to this thread at all you'll see that pretty much every poster contributing will openly admit that they don't have all the answers. If you believe that you do then chances are you're most likely wrong. Mate, where the fuck did I say I have, and I quote, 'all the answers'? I know what I think and no one can tell me otherwise, also I wouldn't ask anyone else to change their own opinion because even though I disagree with something or someone it's their opinion and it's correct for them. You go rage through your day. I have better things to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8295 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 So no one can change your opinion, is what you mean. You're getting fire here for not backing up what you said by the way, not for your opinion. I still don't know what it is, but if I had to guess I'd say it was Reform friendly based on "my opinions are correct for me". Not all opinions are created equal, some people are just plain wrong. Sometimes, that even includes me..! Having the balls to acknowledge that sometimes is actually a virtue, but it has to be done based on an actually compelling and well informed argument, not hysteria and make believe. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39128 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 15 minutes ago, AgentAxeman said: I wouldn't ask anyone else to change their own opinion because even though I disagree with something or someone it's their opinion and it's correct for them. You’ll just call them deluded and refuse actually challenge anything that has been said. You’re definitely showing all the cognitive attributes of a Reform supporter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8295 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 1 hour ago, ewerk said: For years now the government has been telling people to increase their pensions yet now they're actively making that less advantageous. This is most certainly a tax on working people. Meanwhile cunts like me can choose to put £60k a year from my business into a pension completely tax free while also saving £15k on my corporation tax bill. How does that make sense? Everything else aside, I am absolutely going to have to do this when the business starts paying out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39128 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 Tax dodging cunt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 584 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 13 minutes ago, ewerk said: You’ll just call them deluded and refuse actually challenge anything that has been said. You’re definitely showing all the cognitive attributes of a Reform supporter. I've never in my life voted for Reform, however under the current shower of shit I can understand why some people could be persuaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39128 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 You'll not find anyone here arguing with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28481 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 They need to sort the triple lock pensions. It's just unsustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireExile 70 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 Quote I don't know what the solution is but I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as saying "wealth tax" three times and everything being fine and dandy. The solution is to move the burden of taxation from work to capital gains and rents. We don't need a new wealth tax, we've got all the tools already with CGT, IHT and Income tax. If we reformed those so that work was cheaper and making money from money was more expensive we could rebalance the economy away from a rentier economy towards one based on productive work. Of course you won't hear that from mainstream parties because it involves taking money from the people who most benefit from the current shitshow, which is the top 1% accumulating millions and billions in capital gains, unearned profits and rents. We could also address the myth that govts can't spend without first collecting taxes. Yes in the long run the two have to balance (roughly) but there's nothing stopping the govt from investing in the economy to give it a boost in tough times. And before anyone shouts 'but what about the bond markets', they could deal with that too by using the power of the BoE to manipulate bond yields just like they did after 2008 and covid. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 5180 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 24 minutes ago, YorkshireExile said: The solution is to move the burden of taxation from work to capital gains and rents. We don't need a new wealth tax, we've got all the tools already with CGT, IHT and Income tax. If we reformed those so that work was cheaper and making money from money was more expensive we could rebalance the economy away from a rentier economy towards one based on productive work. Of course you won't hear that from mainstream parties because it involves taking money from the people who most benefit from the current shitshow, which is the top 1% accumulating millions and billions in capital gains, unearned profits and rents. We could also address the myth that govts can't spend without first collecting taxes. Yes in the long run the two have to balance (roughly) but there's nothing stopping the govt from investing in the economy to give it a boost in tough times. And before anyone shouts 'but what about the bond markets', they could deal with that too by using the power of the BoE to manipulate bond yields just like they did after 2008 and covid. I'm going to steal that post and present it as my own going forward. Top notch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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