Gemmill 62983 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/13/reform-uk-voters-revealed-slapdash-coalition-nigel-farage-labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ewerk 39132 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 (edited) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgmvjmvyg7o Am I a terrible person to think that this isn’t an awful idea? Edited November 14 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 20 hours ago, YorkshireExile said: The solution is to move the burden of taxation from work to capital gains and rents. Hey, why the fuck should I pay more? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28482 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 1 hour ago, ewerk said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgmvjmvyg7o Am I a terrible person to think that this isn’t an awful idea? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, ewerk said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgmvjmvyg7o Am I a terrible person to think that this isn’t an awful idea? Personally, I'm now of the opinion this issue is literally tearing our society apart, rightly or wrongly. Am also aware that it doesn’t directly affect me cos I don't eat Just Eats, but if I recognise it is a real issue for some. If we can reduce small boat crossings whilst staying within international law I'd say yes. That's the red line for me. Edited November 14 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62983 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 It's the determination of when a country is "safe" again that becomes the issue. Especially if you had bad actors like Farage in government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39132 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 3 minutes ago, Gemmill said: It's the determination of when a country is "safe" again that becomes the issue. Especially if you had bad actors like Farage in government. Ideally it would be determined by someone like the judiciary. Even an independent body isn't immune from government influence if they're the ones making the appointments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 10 minutes ago, Gemmill said: It's the determination of when a country is "safe" again that becomes the issue. Especially if you had bad actors like Farage in government. If Farage is in government none of this is relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 14487 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 1 hour ago, Renton said: Hey, why the fuck should I pay more? Power requirements for your continued use of AI are crippling the economy. 👍 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 8 minutes ago, RobinRobin said: Power requirements for your continued use of AI are crippling the economy. 👍 Do you know how much power your gifs take Mr Giffy? 😗 Actually, feeling a bit guilty about this I did some deep research*. Apparently if I generate 1000 images that is equivalent to a 4.2 mile drive in a standard ICE car. The energy use comes from training, not its application. If true I can live with that. * This was what AI said, so, yer knarr. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 14487 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 5 minutes ago, Renton said: Do you know how much power your gifs take Mr Giffy? 😗 Actually, feeling a bit guilty about this I did some deep research*. Apparently if I generate 1000 images that is equivalent to a 4.2 mile drive in a standard ICE car. The energy use comes from training, not its application. If true I can live with that. * This was what AI said, so, yer knarr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4933 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 3 hours ago, ewerk said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgmvjmvyg7o Am I a terrible person to think that this isn’t an awful idea? Am I a terrible person for thinking the picture was a holiday banana boat ride 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4933 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 12 minutes ago, Renton said: Do you know how much power your gifs take Mr Giffy? 😗 Actually, feeling a bit guilty about this I did some deep research*. Apparently if I generate 1000 images that is equivalent to a 4.2 mile drive in a standard ICE car. The energy use comes from training, not its application. If true I can live with that. * This was what AI said, so, yer knarr. Is your standard ICE car full of undocumented immigrants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27740 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 1 minute ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Is your standard ICE car full of undocumented immigrants? Yes, now you come to mention it. Here's me on my way to Tescos. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12325 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 15 minutes ago, Renton said: Yes, now you come to mention it. Here's me on my way to Tescos. Some suspension, that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28482 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQeQsMKjH67/?igsh=MW9zMWNmZjZvYW16cA== 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 5181 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 5 hours ago, ewerk said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgmvjmvyg7o Am I a terrible person to think that this isn’t an awful idea? No but this and the responses mean we've been suckered by the right wing blowhards into arguing on their territory that asylum seekers and illegal immigrants are the same thing and are a PROBLEM that must be SOLVED Labour have been completely suckered into this. I though at the very least they would establish legal routes which would stop the small oats in a heartbeat but oh no let's just beat the gammon drum louder 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 5181 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 3 hours ago, Renton said: Personally, I'm now of the opinion this issue is literally tearing our society apart Is it, or are the usual sources just bleating on about it as they've always done Some decent honest leadership would relegate it to the sidelines. People in reality are much more worried about putting food on the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 50627 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 23 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: People in reality are much more worried about putting food on the table Often brought to their door by a small boat danger to society. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8303 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 I'm beaten down on this issue now too. We need to take the wind out of the sails of the right on immigration, we lost that battle about a decade ago anyway by refusing to fight it. Follow Denmark, sure, just get the issue off the table. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39132 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 18 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: No but this and the responses mean we've been suckered by the right wing blowhards into arguing on their territory that asylum seekers and illegal immigrants are the same thing and are a PROBLEM that must be SOLVED Labour have been completely suckered into this. I though at the very least they would establish legal routes which would stop the small oats in a heartbeat but oh no let's just beat the gammon drum louder Legal routes were never an option, it was a fantasy solution used as an answer to the question ‘well what would you do?’ while in opposition. It’s not controversial to say that our asylum system is being abused by some. I know Labour came in claiming they’d make the process much faster but I haven’t seen any evidence on how successful they’ve been at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 5181 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 19 minutes ago, ewerk said: Legal routes were never an option, it was a fantasy solution Open processing centres in France seems feasible and not a fantasy solution, but whatever So what if the asylum system is being abused by a few, in reality it's a tiny problem compared to the issues facing the country You'll asking me about Afghans raping children next Ita all a fucking distraction 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39132 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 6 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: Open processing centres in France seems feasible and not a fantasy solution, but whatever It's a solution to what though? Stopping small boat crossings? Absolutely. But this whole debate is nothing to do about the safety of those crossings, it's about getting the numbers down. No government of any colour actually wants to take in asylum seekers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12325 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 Agreed - highlighting the safety, or lack thereof, of the crossings is for no other reason than to encourage a reduction in numbers - which is the real target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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