Rayvin 4964 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, TheGingerQuiff said:  Personally I do care though, I'm just capable of observing that the wider public can't be arsed with it. Dick heed. Maybe it's your own capacity for critical thinking that's askew. I've criticised Labour for not appealing to the electorate. The polls say I'm right. People like you that sit on the left and stick their fingers in their ears is just more Corbynism  What is it that you think Labour should do to appeal to the electorate? It's reading very much like your view is that they should sit down and shut up, but I'm not sure that's going to turn the tide on this.  I think Starmer is playing this badly firstly because he's chasing after a demographic that isn't listening to him, and secondly because he's alienating leftwingers and remainers who were already on side. So all he's done is make a bad situation worse.  I think we're getting close to the point where he becomes a busted flush and needs to resign - unless his strategy suddenly starts paying off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, Rayvin said:  What is it that you think Labour should do to appeal to the electorate? It's reading very much like your view is that they should sit down and shut up, but I'm not sure that's going to turn the tide on this.  I think Starmer is playing this badly firstly because he's chasing after a demographic that isn't listening to him, and secondly because he's alienating leftwingers and remainers who were already on side. So all he's done is make a bad situation worse.  I think we're getting close to the point where he becomes a busted flush and needs to resign - unless his strategy suddenly starts paying off.  I think they should have waited for a better opportunity to present itself and in the meantime stick to criticising policies. But in reality Starmer needs a personality transplant to appeal to the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34761 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 So it should have been Nandy after all? Is that what I'm hearing here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5941 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 42 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:  I think they should have waited for a better opportunity to present itself and in the meantime stick to criticising policies. But in reality Starmer needs a personality transplant to appeal to the electorate. I think the sad reality is Labour needs a leader who dresses like a fucking idiot and says stupid things to grab the attentions of an electorate who sees Trump and Boris as the faces of modern politics.  Beat them at their own game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 I think a lot of voters just opt for whoever they'd rather have a pint with. Farage had that well tapped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26541 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 56 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: I think the sad reality is Labour needs a leader who dresses like a fucking idiot and says stupid things to grab the attentions of an electorate who sees Trump and Boris as the faces of modern politics.  Beat them at their own game They tried that with Corbyn. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5941 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: They tried that with Corbyn. Walked into that one  2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14654 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said: I think the sad reality is Labour needs a leader who dresses like a fucking idiot and says stupid things to grab the attentions of an electorate who sees Trump and Boris as the faces of modern politics.  Beat them at their own game  I don't even think Keith is Kinnock anymore..he'd make a fuckin good PM though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19862 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 i thought the country might be ready for a boring PM but no, we apparently prefer a mendacious clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30506 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 That Edwin Poots has to be related to Andy Caddick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12774 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Starmer looks like he spends his evenings watching whatever his lass wants to watch. Can’t even take control of the remote, never mind the electorate. Avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19862 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Cutting through or outlier? Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17848 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Cutting through or outlier? Â Â Hard to tell. The polls are all over the place at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19862 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) The Brexit dividend keeps on giving. The fisheries story is yet another example. The price of fish and chips is set to rise after we lose access to Norwegian waters while hundreds of UK fishermen who have fished there for generations go out of business https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56940914.amp  Edited May 1, 2021 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30506 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 They practically all voted leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Spam fritter n chips please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19862 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 At least the fish feel better about being British Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17848 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 3 hours ago, TheGingerQuiff said: Spam fritter n chips please  Iirc we've always got our cod from Norwegian or Icelandic waters. They can export it to us tariff free. A win for Norway and British consumers. The fishermen who voted for this shit show, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19862 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, Renton said:  Iirc we've always got our cod from Norwegian or Icelandic waters. They can export it to us tariff free. A win for Norway and British consumers. The fishermen who voted for this shit show, not so much. Apparently some UK fish business which has a mega trawler which used to fish in Norwegian waters is going under because of this - that’s 10% of the UK cod catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19862 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) On 30/04/2021 at 08:21, Renton said:  Sleaze and corruption took down the tories last time. I think it will take down Johnson this time. He was squirming in PMQ, I think this is the tip of a pretty big iceberg. And what's the alternative? To just let it go, have a pointless toothless enquiry where it will be kicked into the long grass and forgotten about? Let him continue lying unabated? I hear all this criticism about what starmer is doing, but no suggestions what he should be doing. Ever wondered if it’s the voters who are the problem rather than the politicians? Edited May 1, 2021 by Dr Gloom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19862 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Why do politicians agree to this stuff? He must have known he wasn’t going to look like a normal human being  2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30506 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Jesus wept  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8890 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said: Why do politicians agree to this stuff? He must have known he wasn’t going to look like a normal human being  They probably gave him a bacon sandwich to eat afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26541 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Another win for the Labour PR team. FFS. They’re useless. Punch bag, you punch like Starmer you look ridiculous, if you take it serious you look like a psychopath, you can’t win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) Â Â Â Edited May 2, 2021 by TheGingerQuiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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