Alex 30537 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Well, that was utterly fucking pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 England breaking records again. Who loses after posting 470 in the first innings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 It was a poor score first innings score given the circumstances, despite it being over 400. Same with the last test. The collapses are a worry but they only happen because of not getting enough runs in the first innings. Too many players getting out to daft shots instead of really grafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 477 is the highest first innings score by any test side that has gone on to lose by an innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I know. My point still stands imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I agree with you on the collapsing and 477 was slightly under par on that surface but it still should have been more than enough runs for us to at least get a draw. No test side in India has posted a score that high in the first innings and gone into lose a game before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I really think it's time for Cook to go as captain now. We have some quality players but there doesn't seem to be enough fight in the team when things go against them. Maybe changing the captain will help address that. This was always going to be a very big challenge but the last two tests have been pretty pathetic on the whole (while still having some good individual performances). I don't think that there's much in the line up that needs to change apart from having everyone fit (Wood would be a good addition if he could stay fit but I suspect he'll always be a bit injury prone) so beyond that it's either the captain or coach you need to look at. Bayliss and Farbrace have done an excellent job with the white ball teams and I wonder if having Morgan (and Butler) captain those teams has also had a more positive influence than what Cook is having with the test team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I agree DK. Losing by an innings after scoring the best part of 500 runs is pathetic. Something's got to change. you're only going to win games when your bowlers take 20 wickets and our spinners haven't been as good as we hoped they would plus our fielding has been sloppy. But the manner in which we continue to throw wickets away and collapse when things aren't going our way has to be looked at - it isn't a coincidence that this keeps happening. Perhaps are more aggressive, proactive skipper would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I agree with you on the collapsing and 477 was slightly under par on that surface but it still should have been more than enough runs for us to at least get a draw. No test side in India has posted a score that high in the first innings and gone into lose a game before. Was a bit more than slightly below par. Just look at how easy India found it and also look at the way in which Rashid and Dawson batted. I.e. batting time and working hard for the right to play your shots. I take your point they should've batted out for a draw but you already know that because I said that yesterday. Anyway, we're just repeating ourselves but not enough batsmen get the big hundreds once they're in or convert 40s/50s/60s into tons. Also, batting records have come tumbling in recent years and will continue to do so. Historical precedent has a relevance but not in the way it once did. In any case, if you're going to argue England's 477 was a good score surely the fact that India got the biggest score ever against England (and declared) puts it into context. Especially with England batting first. India are class but do they really have loads more batting talent than that England side? I don't think so. Obviously they have better spinners but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I really think it's time for Cook to go as captain now. We have some quality players but there doesn't seem to be enough fight in the team when things go against them. Maybe changing the captain will help address that. This was always going to be a very big challenge but the last two tests have been pretty pathetic on the whole (while still having some good individual performances). I don't think that there's much in the line up that needs to change apart from having everyone fit (Wood would be a good addition if he could stay fit but I suspect he'll always be a bit injury prone) so beyond that it's either the captain or coach you need to look at. Bayliss and Farbrace have done an excellent job with the white ball teams and I wonder if having Morgan (and Butler) captain those teams has also had a more positive influence than what Cook is having with the test team. Cook's gone as captain like. Probably good for him and the team going forward. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water though as he's still a class player and Bayliss and Farbrace have had, on the whole, a very positive impact on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Aye I certainly want Cook to play on it's just his time as captain that I think should come to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Was a bit more than slightly below par. Just look at how easy India found it and also look at the way in which Rashid and Dawson batted. I.e. batting time and working hard for the right to play your shots. I take your point they should've batted out for a draw but you already know that because I said that yesterday. Anyway, we're just repeating ourselves but not enough batsmen get the big hundreds once they're in or convert 40s/50s/60s into tons. Also, batting records have come tumbling in recent years and will continue to do so. Historical precedent has a relevance but not in the way it once did. In any case, if you're going to argue England's 477 was a good score surely the fact that India got the biggest score ever against England (and declared) puts it into context. Especially with England batting first. India are class but do they really have loads more batting talent than that England side? I don't think so. Obviously they have better spinners but still... I'm not sure why we're arguing as I'm pretty sure we agree. England should have at the very least have saved both games after batting first the past two tests. We failed to win from dominant positions because our spinners haven't been good enough and because while plenty of players made runs, none went on to score a daddy hundred. Potential draws were turned into defeats by our inability to stem final innings collapses. Again. Getting as boring as it is predictable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) I'm not sure why we're arguing as I'm pretty sure we agree. England should have at the very least have saved both games after batting first the past two tests. We failed to win from dominant positions because our spinners haven't been good enough and because while plenty of players made runs, none went on to score a daddy hundred. Potential draws were turned into defeats by our inability to stem final innings collapses. Again. Getting as boring as it is predictable Yeah, I think we largely agree and it was a combination of those things obviously. My point, which I probably didn't make very well was that you probably wanted at least another 150 in the first innings of the 4th test and a similar sort of score (i.e. 550-ish*) in the last one. That puts more pressure on India because it's almost impossible for them to win (although I have little doubt they'd have managed draws) and it removes the pressure of having to bat when all you can possibly do is a save the match at best in the 2nd innings. *edit: And that side / batting line up should've been more than capable of making that sort of score. Edited December 20, 2016 by Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Decent level headed assessment of England's situation. The line up he's picked for Australia does look exciting though perhaps a little harsh on Moeen. I agree he should be in the side as a batsman and occasional spin bowler rather than frontline spinner so it probably does come down to a choice between him and Buttler. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/dec/20/england-india-test-series-alastair-cook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Good read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Pretty much the line up I'd go for actually. If Wood is fit his pace could be huge for us in Stralian conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Even Buttler keeping wicket as he suggests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 If Bairstow is at 5 and Buttler is going to be back in long-term then definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19879 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 i like the idea of buttler in tests. he's still got a bit to go to prove he can do it in the long form, but if he can adapt his one day game he has the potential to be the most destructive wickie/bastman in the world. i think bairstow has shown in the past year that he is good enough after a sticky start and more than good enough to bat at 5 as a specialist batsman. whether that's what transpires remains to be seen, but root/bairstow/stokes/buttler is an exciting middle order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Definitely harsh on Ali, especially as he's just got four hundreds in the last year. But it's plain for everyone to see that he's not a frontline bowler. It remains to be seen whether Rashid is the answer there though. Ali's struggles against the short ball are likely to be tested against Australia too. That batting lineup certainly looks exciting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Morgan hit a last ball 6 for 70no this morning for the Thunder in his last game in the big bash before he heads out to India. Hopefully him Willey and Billings can take on their form from Australia where they've all been excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30537 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Looks like this was a decent match http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO40457 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Aye Broad hit the winning runs. Record run score and chase for the bbl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5968 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5968 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I think I mentioned this last season but one of my mates who I used to play Sunday league footie with is now playing for Perth Scorchers in the BBL. He got only the 2nd hatrick in the competitions history yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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