Alexander Isak

[Dougle 4598]

On 27/07/2025 at 06:40, OTF said:

 

There's no point in comparing a regular job with that of a professional footballer making say £8m a year.

 

What also doesn't get mentioned is that the aggressive movement of players based on having one or two good seasons in their heading into prime years is just another way that the talent pool is hogged by the mega clubs. They're the only teams who can pay those wages, so instead of a team being able to improve their position through holding onto these players and in doing so increasing their appeal, prize money and revenue which can be realised again and again resulting in real growth and progress, they get a one time reward that they then have to rinse and repeat hoping to bring on players who can develop to once again be sold. The amount of talent being wasted on the bench or not even on the bench at these massive clubs is huge.

 

 

Well fucking said mate.

 

And you know even comparing it to a ‘normal’ job, how many times does a person stay where they are working because they happen to like it and appreciate the place they work at, or their colleagues might be canny, rather than hunting down the extra coin? But hey Football, short career and all that shite, aye short fucking career getting payed many times more than most of us poor saps paying those wages would earn in multiple lifetimes.

[Dazzler 16212]

5 minutes ago, Dougle said:

 

 

Well fucking said mate.

 

And you know even comparing it to a ‘normal’ job, how many times does a person stay where they are working because they happen to like it and appreciate the place they work at, or their colleagues might be canny, rather than hunting down the extra coin? But hey Football, short career and all that shite, aye short fucking career getting payed many times more than most of us poor saps paying those wages would earn in multiple lifetimes.

 

 

Offer someone double the wage and see how much they appreciate the place that they suddenly realise is short changing them.

 

It may not be the old-school way of thinking, but the younger generation tend not to stick around in a job for 30 years because they like the place or the people. They fuck off for the money. That's just a fact. It'll be even more true of a footballer where the pounds and pence impact of a pay increase is fucking insane.

 

[Dougle 4598]

2 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

 

Offer someone double the wage and see how much they appreciate the place that they suddenly realise is short changing them.

 

It may not be the old-school way of thinking, but the younger generation tend not to stick around in a job for 30 years because they like the place or the people. They fuck off for the money. That's just a fact. It'll be even more true of a footballer where the pounds and pence impact of a pay increase is fucking insane.

 

 

And how many million would it take to stop sucking more cock for more coin?

[Dazzler 16212]

1 minute ago, Dougle said:

 

And how many million would it take to stop sucking more cock for more coin?

2.5

[Holden McGroin 9910]

If you listen to any ex-footballers candid  podcast you will hear that players absolutely do move purely for the money. Everyone will be different, just like real jobs of course.

 

Same applies for the grass-is-always greener theory as well. Isak could move and his form might nosedive or he might hate the manager and his career declines. He is adored here and is paid well.  You can’t guarantee that elsewhere.

 

[Holden McGroin 9910]

6 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

2.5

Would you take 2?

[Renton 27805]

6 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

 

Offer someone double the wage and see how much they appreciate the place that they suddenly realise is short changing them.

 

It may not be the old-school way of thinking, but the younger generation tend not to stick around in a job for 30 years because they like the place or the people. They fuck off for the money. That's just a fact. It'll be even more true of a footballer where the pounds and pence impact of a pay increase is fucking insane.

 

 

Would you leave a job you love for a job you hate for double the money? We've gone way off topic here btw, cos it's not applicable to Isak's situation, but I'm genuinely curious. If you work full time your job is a good chunk of your awake life. Working in a job you hate breeds anxiety and depression, but then so does lack of money. Nevertheless, there are plenty of people who work in jobs they enjoy and value in the full realisation they are not maximising their earning potential. So I just don't accept your cynicism pay is the only important thing. Or maybe it is to accountants.

[Gemmill 63304]

How do those who think loyalty should trump all square away the idea of players leaving other teams to join us? 

[Holden McGroin 9910]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

How do those who think loyalty should trump all square away the idea of players leaving other teams to join us? 

why wouldn’t anyone want to join the greatest club, in the best location in the world?

[wykikitoon 28572]

7 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Would you leave a job you love for a job you hate for double the money? We've gone way off topic here btw, cos it's not applicable to Isak's situation, but I'm genuinely curious. If you work full time your job is a good chunk of your awake life. Working in a job you hate breeds anxiety and depression, but then so does lack of money. Nevertheless, there are plenty of people who work in jobs they enjoy and value in the full realisation they are not maximising their earning potential. So I just don't accept your cynicism pay is the only important thing. Or maybe it is to accountants.

 

Whenever I have left a job, its not been for money.  I have had wage increases when I have moved as my experience has grown.  But I have either moved to increase my skill set and the company has some great jobs.  Or I have moved because I have lost enjoyment in work and like you say, you're in a work a long time so why stay where you don't like it?  My BIL hates working for his company but because it's a government job all he is thinking about is his pension.  I mean, why wouldn't you at 39 when anything could happen in life.

 

I read a book a few months ago called Clear Thinking.  I have bought him a copy, but I doubt he would read it.  In the final couple of chapters it talks about how the majority of people on their death beds or very late in life talk about the stuff they have missed out on because they have either been very cautious, or focused on the stuff that isn't important.  E.g my BIL trying to tidy a skip because the builder is charging him £280 a skip instead of him spending time with his wife then complaining he's not seen her.  How about you tell the builder to sort the skip out and then chill with your wife?

I digress anyways.  

[Dazzler 16212]

12 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Would you leave a job you love for a job you hate for double the money? We've gone way off topic here btw, cos it's not applicable to Isak's situation, but I'm genuinely curious. If you work full time your job is a good chunk of your awake life. Working in a job you hate breeds anxiety and depression, but then so does lack of money. Nevertheless, there are plenty of people who work in jobs they enjoy and value in the full realisation they are not maximising their earning potential. So I just don't accept your cynicism pay is the only important thing. Or maybe it is to accountants.

Simple answer, yes. I wouldn't even have to think about it. Double the money? That's life changing. Then if I truly hated it, I could quit and be comfortable for a spell while I looked for a new job that I hated less.

 

I'm not for one second claiming it's the only important thing. But we work to get paid, that's a fact. Why wouldn't that be true of footballers.

 

I hate all the bullshit Maslow shite. I hate doing any training on it even more because it's all flawed.

 

"Oh I love my job, and the people, and everything I do. I feel valued, and seen, and loved." - But don't pay the cunt on Friday and see if he shows up on Monday.

[Dazzler 16212]

1 minute ago, wykikitoon said:

 

Whenever I have left a job, its not been for money.  I have had wage increases when I have moved as my experience has grown.  But I have either moved to increase my skill set and the company has some great jobs.  Or I have moved because I have lost enjoyment in work and like you say, you're in a work a long time so why stay where you don't like it?  My BIL hates working for his company but because it's a government job all he is thinking about is his pension.  I mean, why wouldn't you at 39 when anything could happen in life.

 

I read a book a few months ago called Clear Thinking.  I have bought him a copy, but I doubt he would read it.  In the final couple of chapters it talks about how the majority of people on their death beds or very late in life talk about the stuff they have missed out on because they have either been very cautious, or focused on the stuff that isn't important.  E.g my BIL trying to tidy a skip because the builder is charging him £280 a skip instead of him spending time with his wife then complaining he's not seen her.  How about you tell the builder to sort the skip out and then chill with your wife?

I digress anyways.  

All this says is that you've left jobs and earned more money in the new jobs which sort of validates the point despite you trying to argue against it 

[David Kelly 1837]

18 minutes ago, Dougle said:

 

 

Well fucking said mate.

 

And you know even comparing it to a ‘normal’ job, how many times does a person stay where they are working because they happen to like it and appreciate the place they work at, or their colleagues might be canny, rather than hunting down the extra coin? But hey Football, short career and all that shite, aye short fucking career getting payed many times more than most of us poor saps paying those wages would earn in multiple lifetimes.

 

I would say generally high performers in 'normal jobs' do leave jobs the really like for others with better money.  That's how they push themselves to do bigger and better things and end up being high earners.  Others are quite happy earning what they earn and having an easier life.  We are wanting to have players who will push us on to performing better as a team and those sorts of players are going to want to keep pushing and being correctly compensated for that.  If we won't or can't compensate them appropriately and can't provide them with the tools to keep progressing, when those were the very methods we used to sign them in first place, we can't expect them to want to stay.  

With Shearer we had the fact that he supported us to compensate for the fact that we didn't always move forward when he was here to go with the ability to pay him what he wanted.  That's not going to be the case with foreign players (or even every local player).

[Renton 27805]

2 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

Simple answer, yes. I wouldn't even have to think about it. Double the money? That's life changing. Then if I truly hated it, I could quit and be comfortable for a spell while I looked for a new job that I hated less.

 

I'm not for one second claiming it's the only important thing. But we work to get paid, that's a fact. Why wouldn't that be true of footballers.

 

I hate all the bullshit Maslow shite. I hate doing any training on it even more because it's all flawed.

 

"Oh I love my job, and the people, and everything I do. I feel valued, and seen, and loved." - But don't pay the cunt on Friday and see if he shows up on Monday.

 

Yeah, you're an accountant alright. It may surprise you to learn, but many people actually do enjoy their jobs.

[Renton 27805]

4 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

Whenever I have left a job, its not been for money.  I have had wage increases when I have moved as my experience has grown.  But I have either moved to increase my skill set and the company has some great jobs.  Or I have moved because I have lost enjoyment in work and like you say, you're in a work a long time so why stay where you don't like it?  My BIL hates working for his company but because it's a government job all he is thinking about is his pension.  I mean, why wouldn't you at 39 when anything could happen in life.

 

I read a book a few months ago called Clear Thinking.  I have bought him a copy, but I doubt he would read it.  In the final couple of chapters it talks about how the majority of people on their death beds or very late in life talk about the stuff they have missed out on because they have either been very cautious, or focused on the stuff that isn't important.  E.g my BIL trying to tidy a skip because the builder is charging him £280 a skip instead of him spending time with his wife then complaining he's not seen her.  How about you tell the builder to sort the skip out and then chill with your wife?

I digress anyways.  

 

Maybe he hates his wife so filling a skip is preferable?

Just realised in saying that, is his wife your sister?

 

[Gemmill 63304]

There's some history being rewritten here about Renton the great public servant, cos if I recall correctly you were mostly DESPERATE to leave that last job because Trump's flamethrower was making it extremely likely that you'd lose your job.

 

[wykikitoon 28572]

1 minute ago, Dazzler said:

All this says is that you've left jobs and earned more money in the new jobs which sort of validates the point despite you trying to argue against it 

 

I have always been honest in what I earn in interviews.  I once put my notice in one place and they offered me £7k to stay.  I turned it down as there were issues there that the money wouldn't address.  I haven't always been offered more to move. A couple of places I took the same money because the opportunity to learn more and get on better jobs motivated me more.

 

When I was a junior I left the first place because I wanted to prove to myself I could do the job without the comfort blanket of lads around me who taught me etc.  I took a paycut to move.

 

So really no its not what you're saying 😛

[Dazzler 16212]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

 

Yeah, you're an accountant alright. It may surprise you to learn, but many people actually do enjoy their jobs.

I enjoy mine, and the people I work with (except the ones in the US who are thick as shit on average). I'm relatively well paid too, but if someone wanted to double my salary, I'd be gone in a flash. I have a family and a mortgage etc. More money means settling that quicker, maybe even moving somewhere nicer/bigger. The more I earn now, the quicker I can fuck it all off and push trolleys in Tesco because I no longer need the cash and the stress.

[Renton 27805]

3 minutes ago, David Kelly said:

I would say generally high performers in 'normal jobs' do leave jobs the really like for others with better money.  That's how they push themselves to do bigger and better things and end up being high earners.  Others are quite happy earning what they earn and having an easier life.  We are wanting to have players who will push us on to performing better as a team and those sorts of players are going to want to keep pushing and being correctly compensated for that.  If we won't or can't compensate them appropriately and can't provide them with the tools to keep progressing, when those were the very methods we used to sign them in first place, we can't expect them to want to stay.  

With Shearer we had the fact that he supported us to compensate for the fact that we didn't always move forward when he was here to go with the ability to pay him what he wanted.  That's not going to be the case with foreign players (or even every local player).

 

With Shearer we were challenging when he came, then he had a major injury and was never really the same player again. Suspect he might have left but for this.

 

 We clearly do need to pay to get and retain the best players. Issue is though Isak has 3 years on his contract so should not be a position to dictate terms right now.

[Dazzler 16212]

Just now, Renton said:

 

With Shearer we were challenging when he came, then he had a major injury and was never really the same player again. Suspect he might have left but for this.

 

 We clearly do need to pay to get and retain the best players. Issue is though Isak has 3 years on his contract so should not be a position to dictate terms right now.

Shearer did everything in his power to leave at one point. Didn't he go in a strop for a spell because Sir Bobby refused to sell him to Man Utd?

[Renton 27805]

2 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

There's some history being rewritten here about Renton the great public servant, cos if I recall correctly you were mostly DESPERATE to leave that last job because Trump's flamethrower was making it extremely likely that you'd lose your job.

 

 

Wrong. There were loads of redundancies which was shit but I was never going to be at risk personally. I just believe in science you need to be truthful rather than engage in the Pharma bullshit. Honestly, it's as simple as that. My old boss told me I had too much integrity. Can you have too much integrity when it comes to medical treatments? Apparently so.

 

As a matter of fact I met a director from there a few weeks back and he offered me a job. It would be 40% on what I earn now but Id still hate it so will keep trying where I am. The pay cut is brutal mind. I might end up with no choice.

[Holden McGroin 9910]

I think we can all agree with our own shared experiences that everyone is different. As are footballers.

[PaddockLad 22515]

2 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

Shearer did everything in his power to leave at one point. Didn't he go in a strop for a spell because Sir Bobby refused to sell him to Man Utd?

 

Liverpool. Houllier made an offer but Shepherd rejected it.  Shearer by way of compensation got the contract where he would always be the highest paid player at the club. According to Sir Bobby's book anyway

[David Kelly 1837]

10 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

With Shearer we were challenging when he came, then he had a major injury and was never really the same player again. Suspect he might have left but for this.

 

 We clearly do need to pay to get and retain the best players. Issue is though Isak has 3 years on his contract so should not be a position to dictate terms right now.

I agree, we are still in a strong position and we can say no you have a contract and we don't want or need to accept any bid for you and you just have to deal with it.  I doubt he would refuse to play, certainly not for very long, as it would ultimately harm him.  But you would have a player who is less likely to perform anywhere near his best.  It may be that a new contract and some signings can placate him, at least to an extent, we don't know that at this stage.  I'd be disappointed, particularly to sell him to them cunts, but still positive enough if I had any faith in us signing someone remotely at his level to replace him (Sesko and Wisa as backup for example).  I think given our current management issues, it will be far more likely that we end up with no one/DCL as his replacement if he is sold and that is the biggest concern.  On that basis I think we have to keep him and just deal with the likelihood that we'll have a player who isn't as motivated as he previously was.  That would still be preferable to having Osula or someone like DCL as our starting striker going into the champions league.

[Renton 27805]

Agreed. If he stays we could maybe start thinking about moving him on to one of the European supergiants next season, he should retain his value. I'd want to have someone in (other than DCL) before we let him go anywhere though. Our striker situation is frightening me.