Rayvin

Me too but I don't know what you expect Labour to do. The tide needs to turn on Brexit outside of party politics. That will happen, I'm sure, but Labour are only going to get one chance to say "ok this changes things, let's have a second referendum". They need to choose the moment well. I mean, what would you have them do that you think would actually work?

They were 20 odd points back last time and are currently far stronger. A similar campaign to last time should see them a fair way ahead. If they go all in now they risk people losing interest in their message by the time it actually becomes relevant to do something. Hold your damn nerve ffs, this isn't over yet.

Tbf it's actually kind of funny

I expect this is strategic. The Tories are doing wall to wall damage to themselves at the moment. No need to get involved. Labour just need to campaign as well as they did last time when it comes to the main event.

We just need another player for a TT 3s team

Internet collapsed mate, sorry.

OK hang on, I'll try to join you now. Gimme 10 mins.

Sorry, was out tonight. I've got all the adaptors and stuff set up though so maybe tomorrow?

God, here we go...

Corbyn endorsed by Brown... a little late but important I guess: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gordon-brown-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-backs-phenomenon-people-change-left-wing-centre-tony-blair-a8047291.html?amp

Was just reading the Guardian's take on it. Apparently the guy (I'm not very familiar with his work) is a leading feminist as far as comedians go, and has regularly satirised the hypocrisy of men in their interactions with women. He has stated that men are the single greatest threat to women in the world “How do women still go out with guys, when you consider the fact that there is no greater threat to women than men? We’re the number one threat! To women! Globally and historically, we’re the number one cause of injury and mayhem to women. We’re the worst thing that ever happens to them!” He continued: “If you’re a guy, imagine you could only date a half-bear-half-lion. ‘Oh, I hope this one’s nice! I hope he doesn’t do what he’s going to do.’” What a fucking charlatan.

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I echo Strawb here, it's a fucking bizarre thing to do.

This forum can be surreal at times.

... mate, I think you've confused KD with wykiki. Also stop drinking and posting ffs

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CT, whether Labour 'bribed' the electorate or not, the point remains that the current, centrist system, is falling apart. It's not Labour's fault that everyone is miserable. It's not even really the Tories when you get down to it, they've been following the same flawed framework as their predecessors - they're just too stupid to realise that they can't answer the question within that framework. It's going to happen one way or another. It has to and it will. Whatever people think they're voting for is not as relevant as actually reforming the system.

Still believe it when I see it tbh... Nothing I've seen from Ashley save the appointment of Rafa, suggests there is a good outcome on the horizon in anything he does.

Ouch... not good optics Parky...

Yeah but Ashley is.

Well yeah actually. The level of political ability in this country is beyond hopeless atm.

Would prefer a more capable left wing offering as well. Also agree on Brexit. Have to play the hand we're dealt though...

mmm.... Blair was a Neoliberal. I dunno about that statement tbh. Having a real left wing alternative to the Tories will be worth it in the long run. Eventually the Tories are going to hang themselves, and people will just HAVE to choose the left. Lose a few battles, win the war. Once they get in once, and can put some seriously useful policies on the agenda, it'll be really hard to undo. Corbyn just needs to prove that his politics can work, and we'll be fine for a generation.

Was too young to vote Blair the first two times and was out of the country and totally distracted for the third. I voted for Brown because I was afraid of an electoral wipeout for Labour and what the Tories might bring, but I was utterly disillusioned with their surrender of the narrative about the economic stuff even then. Wasn't taken in by Clegg and am pleased I wasn't tbh. Voted Miliband although very nearly didn't bother because I was so fed up with Labour and their nonsense agenda by that point. Thank fuck we now have an alternative to centrism that isn't xenophobia.