Rayvin

Fucking hell.

Nah I'm trying to argue less on here anyway. Was just interested in his motivations for believing what he does. I agree with what you've said here btw, but also can't help vaguely admiring someone prepared to go against the grain on conventional thought - as long as it's well reasoned.

I don't even entirely disagree with the premise that we're all schooled in a certain direction as far as thoughts go, and that deviating from this and arriving at our own conclusions is important. I just don't get why this issue is the hill to die on, so to speak. But maybe that's what makes your position genuine.

I wasn't here last time wolfy was commenting and he's the first flat earther I've ever had any dialogue with I dunno what the Fish' excuse is though.

So you don't believe this due to the need to justify some manner of shady global conspiracy seeking to protect its own interests, you actually consider that the science alone isn't sufficient to support the 'spherical globe in space' argument. You have no agenda beyond this, you just don't believe what we're told. I actually consider that to be somewhat brave but it would also depend on how important this stuff is to your sense of self. Does this stuff define you, or is it just something you believe while living an otherwise entirely standard life?

I guess the question I'd pose is why would "they" lie about this?

Is that legit? Brilliant if so

Interesting point, well made

She was never going to avoid looking her age for ever. Has a distinctly witch like look to her now. Should just accept it and age gracefully, with some dignity.

Brilliant from Thornberry - Fallon is a total lightweight by the looks of it but she mullered him there

When was it confirmed that we have 100m to spend?

Big risk for him as well... where does he go from being fired midway through the season in the championship?

For claeity, is it still the Tories being negligent?

Labour should absolutely hammer them for that. Open goal. Whether Corbyn has it in bin to do so is another matter.

...ew.

To be absolutely fair to gloom, he genuinely seems to believe and trust in the impartiality stuff. He is what the media should be. On the other hand, the current right wing press are looking a lot like everything we have described the MSM to be.

Quiff seems to think he'd be alright but I can't say I've watched him play tbh.

Will Defoe raise anything? I thought he was on a free...

Have to agree, they're bad but not that bad. It'd take some catastrophic management to see them go down consecutively. Even if they did, they'd come right back again. Arguably it's better if they gradually decline rather than immediately

Stop playing by the rules, no one else is!

Do your best to influence people, you're in a unique position!

While broadly agreeing, I will add that Corbyn has compromised on the nuclear deterrent which indicates some basic level of acceptance of the need to take on board views that deviate from his principles. Also, your touring of the country took place before the manifesto was out. Surely their odds will improve now (albeit not enough to win the thing).

I mean yeah, we do know that. Just wanted to hear you say it

How on earth are they going to convince anyone when the entirety of the right wing press is lined up against them (largely to protect the interests of those who run them)?